How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG?

last SG · 2008-03-21T15:12:34+00:00

It is not a bold attempt to try anything ingenius. They were prevented access to a lot of things on the F18s. They had no choice. As for their `rojak' system...

Shotgun SG

Pls refrain from country to country war scenarios, otherwise I will have no choice but to close this thread.

Examples of statements that one should refrain from:

"Country X will surely whack Country Y's air force cos it has so many more F-22s"

"20 planes vs 100, how to fight?"

"They surely die one la, maintainance so bad, personnel will be caught with their pants down in a surprise attack"

"Country X people are lazy good for nothing idiots, and they so poor some more, got air force meh?"

"LOL launch one missile they all die le"

I am sure many of us us here have seen many more of such meaningless statements that obviously show a lack of understanding of real world issues and that many underlying factors actually play a part in the outcome of any potential conflict.

This is a forum for meaningful discussion for militarynuts, not some chit chat session. If you want to post crap, go to chit chat.

So please limit yourselves to a neutral, purely platform to platform comparison. Example: The projected performance of the APG-63(V)3 radar compared to conventional radars such as the APG-68(V)9, the merits of each, and the detrimentals.

Chill out Delta,

This guy's not trolling so far. Besides, I just made a point that u can't really compare platform to platform. Especially in the context of whether the Sukhoi 30MKM poses a threat to ASEAN.

No single platform is capable of taking down an entire IADS on its own.

*not incl. of our classified gundams.

Arapahoe SG

anyway this thread topics was posted in other site n was shut down not sure why its here.

Skye2 SG

To be frank, any form of comparison will bring in references to nations which own them; overt or otherwise. Just lock it if the thread goes out of hand. Otherwise, the forum will be very dead.

But i agree in keeping a watch on trolls who are covertly coming up with ridiculous posts to infuriate other posters. Especially those who say they are Singaporeans but who are patently and clearly are`nt.

edit: if you need help in uncovering foreign trolls, pm me. you know who i am falcone.

Skye2 SG

Anyway, the SU-30 MKM is no threat. The F15sg are more than a match for them. What more if you consider the entire damn RSAF with all thier equipment.

If you want to compare the equipment(individually or holistically) to other forces, we should look towards Australia, Norway, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. No point comparing with Malaysia. They are in a different league. Also, it will be less emotional for some Singaporeans.

jaxzzz SG

Su 30 MKM or F -15SG. Both are powerful planes. Well armed, powerful engines, good manuverbility, advanced avionics ETC. However in air to air combat, the quality of the pilot makes the critical factor in winning an air to air engagement.

Skye2 SG

First of all, they`ll need to make sure all theier systems from around the world work together. I can`t remember the countries involved; too many; lol. Maintainence will be nightmarish for an air-force with a gamut of logistical issues. As a point of reference, the Indians took 7 years to fix the MKI. And they were merging Israeli and Russian systems. The Indians also discovered that Russian production lines have poor quality control and their equipment are not what the Russians claim to be.

tankfanatic SG

so are you saying their air force were a bunch of monkey with wrench? or you have a more detailed summary of their airforce.

jaxzzz SG

SU30MKM avionics manufacturers are: Thales from France, Saab from South Africa and Russia.

edwin3060 SG

The worse thing is, they can't get the Israelis to integrate all the electronics for them like the Indians did. I wonder if they are going to try to integrate the electronics by themselves?

Skye2 SG

so are you saying their air force were a bunch of monkey with wrench?

Get used to your Zoo. Better term.

The worse thing is, they can't get the Israelis to integrate all the electronics for them like the Indians did. I wonder if they are going to try to integrate the electronics by themselves?

The Indians are very close to the Israelis and us. The Indians have had a long list of issues with the Sukhois. Took them some time to work things out. They(RMAF) would not even have the competency to do it themselves. Otherwise, they would have done it a long time ago with thier Migs. They have issues with technical competency and money. As it stands, thier Hornets cannot even fire Amraams after being allowed to buy 20 of them. New combat/training jets like Hawks are falling from the skies together with old nuris and they would have the gall to trust thier own handiwork at improvising things? Balls.. i tell you. Of course, we should always stay vigilant.

tankfanatic SG

so this summary spurt out from your extremely indepth knowledge on their airforce? lol

tripwire SG

its no secret that even their own citizens are doubtful of their air force maintainance competency.... on low medium tech aircraft.... now here comes the MKM... i am looking forward to their first crash... hopefully nobody gets killed.

fvwerra SG

Doubtful or not, we must not underestimate anyone,anybody.

The RMAF made a bold attempt to mix western avionic with Russian jet.Though it sound silly, it shows their flexibility in defence thinking.To say that using 'rojak' system will create problem sound way to simplistic. If it is implemented right it will turn out right.

Who are we to say that RMAF neglected their aircraft maintenance? Do we actually see RMAF left their aircraft to rot?canniballising for spare part?Lazy ground crews?

Proud to know that RSAF are the best in the region but RMAF,RTAF,TNI-AU must not be scorn at.

tankfanatic SG

First of all, they`ll need to make sure all theier systems from around the world work together. I can`t remember the countries involved; too many; lol. Maintainence will be nightmarish for an air-force with a gamut of logistical issues. As a point of reference, the Indians took 7 years to fix the MKI. And they were merging Israeli and Russian systems. The Indians also discovered that Russian production lines have poor quality control and their equipment are not what the Russians claim to be.

lol really? 'the indian' said that to you? mmm this is interesting. Your source of information were solid! LOL

tankfanatic SG

its no secret that even their own citizens are doubtful of their air force maintainance competency.... on low medium tech aircraft.... now here comes the MKM... i am looking forward to their first crash... hopefully nobody gets killed.

this is even better...wow. ....

you actually have confirmation directly from a malaysian citizen that they have monkey airforce......you are even better than skye..LOL

tripwire SG

their records speaks of their competencies... unless of course you choose to believe that they intentionally crash their preciously limited machines for the sake of fun.

LazerLordz SG

For interest's sake..

Plan an area defence plan using both F-15SG and SU-30MKM. Aim is to perform naval patrol and first strike, preferably OTH.

tankfanatic SG

their records speaks of their competencies... unless of course you choose to believe that they intentionally crash their preciously limited machines for the sake of fun.

oh ? so RMAF monkey performance were actually reflected by their aircraft accident record? hmmm interesting......

tripwire SG

using indicators to judge something aint perfect... but the performance indicators despite its limitations are facts that are hard to ignore when assessment is to be conducted by a third party.

do you not judge a company from its profitability?

or have crystal balling become the modern method of choice?

Shotgun SG

Its impossible to achieve Zero accidents. However, certain air forces continue to believe and strive towards it, thereby greatly reducing accident rates.

Some... know its impossible and don't do much to prevent them.

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