zagan SG i think even if MAF select the M4A1 as the standard infantry rifle, it does not mean that they won't buy the HK416 for selected units still the same bullet, but saves a lot of money than buying HK416 for all line units (Norway bought 8,200 for like $2000 USD each)
chino65 SG I think if not for the license manufacturing and export deal with Colt, MY wouldn't have necessarily picked the M4. There are so many piston M16's out there from other manufacturers. And the HK 416 is of course one of the cheaper ones.
SpecOps87 SG Yah I know...but you bro...there's alot of ruckus about the M4, HK416 etc...being not so accurate cuz they have a short barrel...den say that still want it to be short...its like a holy grail man...I mean the two camps...1 side want short weapon, the other accuracy. So you make a M4 lower with a 20"...you get a short weapon with no lack of accuracy.
chino65 SG Actually, there isn't much of an accuracy problem with the M4 at all. I just read in a magazine the US Army combat shooting team (for competition) hits targets out to 400yd and beyond with a scoped milspec M4. The problem had always been its alleged lack of killing power, and now - reliability. In a sense I agree with what you are saying. It is no point replacing a short barrel M4 with a slightly more reliable short-barrel HK416, both firing the same low-energy round cos of the short barrel. The current 5.56 round used by NATO is designed for 20inch barrel. So on a 14.5inch barrel it apparently lacks power for what is already not a very powerful round to begin with. Some people suggests that there needs to e a 5.56 round designed for the 14.5inch barrel using faster burning propellant etc. Or a different bullet weight.
Shotgun SG The 5.56 issue has been around for a long time. The round wounds well due to fragmentation, but also due to that, lacks power to penetrate. What penetrates are usually fragments of the rounds, that no doubt hurt, but lack the ability to kill. However, its hard to imagine NATO stepping away from 5.56 and adopting a new round-type. They've got stockpiles full of them.... Found a good site on the 5.56 though. Very interesting information, like the maximum penetration occurs at 200m, and at ranges of less than 25m, the round doesn't penetrate well. http://www.sgforums.com/?action=post&thread_id=289998
tankfanatic SG and at ranges of less than 25m, the round doesn't penetrate well.doesnt peneterate what exactly? face? or bullet proof vest?.....please be clear about this, we dont want seeing NS kid shoving their face infront of an enemy M4 because of that statement. LOL.
Shotgun SG Ooops, my bad. I pasted the wrong link! Haha Here's the link. Check it out! http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/556mm_ammo.html Everything you need to know about 5.56 x45s. [/url]
tankfanatic SG latest news….M4A1 will be given to its UCIS team and the regular infantry will use M16A4
chino65 SG I'm sure that there's like 5 people altogether in UCIS... So what are they going to do with the shxtload of M4a1 they are about to manufacture? And are they gonna import M16A4 or manufacture them?
tankfanatic SG UCIS is an organic of any company size infantry...only 5-6 people ..they were not special forces...usually these are people who have extremely good tracking and jungle skill...if a company dosnt have one they can borrow from a different coy or regiment. ala..these dudes basically tracker and scout who sniff around the FEBA...some time callinf arty...but mostly just reporting....thas why they use m4a1 with suppressor
chino65 SG I kinda understaood from the name what they are and roughly how many people, I was from S2. But this throws the whole M4 manufacture into question. No one, especially here in SEA, gonna make/buy new rifles JUST for mechanics. Can you point me to a link or quote the source of this info?
zagan SG the term UCIS was only used during the Malayan Emergency right? I don't think they are called UCIS nowadays at least thats what i get googling, heh
tankfanatic SG magz tempur...120,000 m16a4 and m4a1.... No one, especially here in SEA, gonna make/buy new rifles JUST for mechanicslol... how many mechanics? 11,000...phew..[/quote]
tankfanatic SG its still there..the last info that i knew about this unit is the dude who died during the freak arm heist...in Sauk. Hes a UCIS.
chino65 SG A newer 5.56mm round that has different ballistic qualities from the one we use in SAF, which is M193 IIRC. Bullet size and weight, and propellant is different. Can google wah...
