Compact Personal Weapon by ST

crusader91 SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
can u tell me the source?The black is so cool.

Exhibited in AA 2004!!

[b]more info and links here.SSW is made in Singapore[/b]

So futuristic looking......

gunNut SG

Thank you, yes I know about recoil and ammo. All handguns will have considerable amount of recoil, it's a matter of your grip on the weapon. Go have a look at the Youtube link I posted earlier and see the recoil effect of auto firing GLOCK.

Unless the ST Compact Personal Weapon comes with a special ammo, I dun see its selling point.

Meia Gisborn SG

That's a rather sweeping statement.... Very Happy

CM06 SG

Just to have no doubt i have watched the several videos on youtube for your sake.

First thing i notice, the target board is not even 10 meters away and the stupid rounds are going all over the place. 30 rounds of 9mm calibre and the board barely got ripped open. I can guess the effect of the glock on any combat armour worn by troops in combat. There would be little effect.

Watching the guy spray the drum mag on the glock, i laugh really really hard, You pick your drum mag with the glock and i pick our saw(mk 2 will do) with a similar capacity drum mag and we both be 100 metres apart. Lets see who destroys a figure 11 target board first when we both go prone.

Unless the glock comes with proximity detonation frag warheads, i dont see any point to it being superior to any SMG which we have access to.

However, to be more precise, the point is the ST compact weapon is already comparable in purpose and maybe performance to your glock auto. The only difference being we dont have to pay for the manufacturing license to glock AND the compact weapon by ST is already a reality (making them in house is always better i feel).

These are all but machine pistols anyway. What's the standard ammo load you think will go with just one machine pistol? To fight even more than 1 min in a retrogade you will burn off i dont know how many mags, hitting and killing any one not withstanding. I dont know about you, but standing the way the guy in the videos was standing while in combat looks very stupid to me.

Not that i think that's the proper way to stand while in combat, standing and shooting is the wrong thing to do just to clarify. The point is in all demo videos like this one, normally it shows the -best- or most -optimum- performance of the gun. yes the glock didnt jam, i'm impressed. Is it practical to be issue to our non combat personnel? No. Not the ST compact weapon either. I dont even know why they bother to make and market one in the first place.

I really doubt the machine pistols(auto pistols) practicality since, you will get better balistics performance by using similar ammunition and putting them in a not so much bigger SMG like MP5. Same ammo, more capability. Overall less space and weight.

toothpick SG

The CPW is not in production yet. It is currently being developed with 9mm ammunition, but also designed to be compatible with other calibers with the changing of certain parts.

Targeted for personnel in tight surroundings with not much space to maneuver, such as pilots, air crew, and armour personnel.

SpecOps87 SG

Hmm...i've always thought the G18 to be 3 round burst, much like the Beretta M93R.
Quite frankly, I think if you wanna give support and log.troops, simply give them the good old work horse, M16/AR15 thats simple, easy to use and fark proof. Give them all this space age, stylo milo cappucino stuff, increases training costs etc.not value for $$.

gunNut SG

Hi, SepcOps87, I fully agree with you. M16/AR-15 Carbines are way better for support/log troops......much better than a RoboCop gun.

lionnoisy SG

i have posted one CPD but forget the location.

pl post and show me the location.

toothpick SG

Yes, of course the M16 has been proven in battle to be a reliable weapon. However air crew men/pilots have limited space to swing their weapons around. In situations such as urban warfare, a standard assault rifle may also hinder movement and give away location.

This explains the development of sub-machine guns like the MP5, however reliable, accurate and situation proven they are, use 9mm ammunition which doesn't work against bulletproof vests. This partly led to the development of PDWs which use special ammunition able to penetrate the NATO standard body armour.

The CPW is targeted somewhat along that lines, to be able to provide the compactness of a pistol but accuracy and firepower of a rifle.

specialOps SG

They can disagree all they want, but I personally know people who were in the Bionix development team, and they spent several years developing it, and we also know the reason for its specific developments...its not a copied product, there was nothing to copy from in the first place.

Anyway...ST's factory is at Boon Lay, its not a secret...all the Bionix, SAR-21, Ultimax-100 SAW, bullets....Primus, FH-2000, mortar..wadever, all from there.

touchstone_2000 SG

It is 100% designed and made in Singapore....one of the best APCs in the world today...very proud of it.

I was referring to the last part about the best APCs in the world. IMHO it could have been designed better.

Whether did the folks ST copied the designs, I couldn't care less.

lionnoisy SG

as seen in SG open house

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