Obeying your Commander

pwnz0r SG

at the end of the day, it boils down to hate.

if you hate the enemy that much, even children and women are not exempt from being killed.

i once read 'kill the nigger children before they have the chance to grow up into big nigger bastards'.

this goes the same against the hatred between the japanese and chinese, and even the vietnamese vs. the americans.

tripwire SG

i am sure there will be no lack of hate to kill..... when their blind astros starts slamming into HDB flats....

the only problem is how to kill them the most cost effective way..... bayonet?

tankfanatic SG

you dont want to fight them in hand to hand combat…believe me. Just stick to stand off weapon.

sgdiehard SG

Agree with you that international rules and laws like geneva convention are for academic discussion. It would be your conscience that decide if you would sleep well after the war, not who gave the order or whether you would be tried for the action you took or did not take.

If you were given the order to shoot and you had all the chance in the world to stop the vehicle, but you turned around and argue with your commander instead, the vehicle went past your sentry, drove 50 meter inside and exploded, hundreds of people whom you know were killed or wounded, how would you feel? your commander was killed so nobody would be there to prosecute you for not taking order.

On the other hand, you took the order and fired just one short at the vehicle, its petro tank exploded and the people inside burn to death. The people later confirmed to be some new contractors coming to work inside the camp. How would you feel? I believe blaming the commander would not erase the screaming of the people burnt to death right in front of you.

The lower the ranking, the fewer information the soldiers have to decide what is a legal or illegal order. Commanders, with more information, better training, are expected to give orders for good reasons, and soldiers are expected to just comply without questioning. But it would be our conscience to question what are orders for good reasons. Orders to kill enemies unarmed with their hands up, women, children, babies, old folks are never for good reasons, by any standard of any civilization. Evil or Very Mad

What are illegal orders? I believe our constitution calls on the SAF to protect the lives and properties of Singapore, besides the sovereignty of the Republic. What if you were given order to fire at some protestors taking part in a demonstration against the government, like what happened in Thailand, would you fire? Twisted Evil What if the government mobilize the SAF to fight for Taiwan, alongside the US, when war broke out across the straits? would you report to the mobilization? Are these kinds of orders legal, in view of the nature of war and the role of the SAF specified in our constitutions? Question

tripwire SG

simi hand to hand combat?? i talking about rounding up their civilian... tied them up and stick the bayonet into their chest.... in revenge for their astro rocketing our HDB flat.

hand to hand with malaysian soldiers??....... Rolling Eyes sure... after i chop off their hands.... Twisted Evil

sgdiehard SG

cool down man, we will never allow their astro to come anywhere near. Stay cool.

rooki SG

Typical Singaporean nerd. Rolling Eyes

Face it, Singaporeans especially men, are one of the physically weakest in the world. You'd be lucky if you didn't end up dead.

tripwire SG

sorry to burst your bubble... many malaysian women i know have professed to me otherwise......

after having tested countless times the "physical" capabilities of singaporean and malaysian man....

Twisted Evil

Dr Who SG

Your commander sees a group of armed people approaching. He orders you to open fire....you look and see what appears to be kids with toys.....what if he is mistaken in what he saw? What if you are mistaken, and the kids are real;ly armed?

Photo above of kids in West bank playing with toy guns......damn dangerous....may get shot by Israeli snipers....

Short Ninja SG

'Kill em all and let God sort them out'.It was a popular T-shirt we used to wear.

sgdiehard SG

Your commander saw somebody and thought he was Dr. Who and give order to shoot, would you fire??

tankfanatic SG

lucky you...most malaysian woman dont care if you have six pack...instead they prefer the big pack at the back.

Typhoon SG

Hark at the pot calling the kettle black. For reasons unknown, many Malaysians (usually civilians) seem to harbour the delusion that they are somehow fitter than Singaporeans- that they themselves have not been softened by urban living, as if they were still born and bred in the kampongs of their grandfather's era, or if they were all Ibans from the jungles of Sarawak. Rolling Eyes

In reality the average Malaysian (and almost certainly the Malaysian posters here) is in no better physical shape than the average Singaporean. Probably worse, since 31.6% of the Malaysian adult population is overweight and 16.3% is obese, compared to 25.6% and 6.9% of the Singaporean adult population respectively (2004 National Health Survey) *

In other words, I find hilarious these accusations of softness and infirmity coming from our corpulent, porcine neighbours, seeing that MALAYSIANS ARE FATTER. Mr. Green So who's the physically weakest now, ah pui? Laughing

* I admit there being slight discrepancies in the figures. The Singapore figures were complied in 2004 and released last year while the Malaysian ones are for 2005/06. Singapore also uses a larger age distribution (18-69 years) than Malaysia (25-69 years) so the Singaporean mean would be lower, taking into account the typically healthier and more vigorous individuals in their late teens/early twenties. (This group contains almost all of Singapore's NSFs, for instance.) Still, the difference is still significant enough to confirm that yes, compared to us Malaysians are quivering masses of unwholesome flab. Perhaps those stories of Malaysian regulars being on the chubby side are more than just snide remarks.

Both Malaysian and Singaporean figures are made using the World Health Organisation's definition of overweight (BMI >25kg/m2) and obese (BMI >30kg/m2), without downward adjustment to cut offs taking into account Asian physiology. (Overweight >23kg/m2, Obese> 27.5kg/m2.) Using the revised index, figures for Singapore would be 35% overweight and 14% obese. Although I do not have revised figures for Malaysia, NCD Surveillance (which compiles the data for health risks in Malaysia) uses the WHO definitions. Hence, even revised, Malaysian statistics would still dwarf ours in a greasy torrent of adipose tissue. Mr. Green

edwin3060 SG

You have to admit, though, that Malaysians in the military are probably fitter than the average NSF due to the factors of volunteer vs conscript etc, etc.

tankee1981 SG

Originally posted by edwin3060:
You have to admit, though, that Malaysians [b]in the military are probably fitter than the average NSF due to the factors of volunteer vs conscript etc, etc. [/b]

But in terms of age, they are usually older.

Short Ninja SG

In the dense jungle the Malaysian regular soldiers are far better than the SIngapore conscripts but when it come to raw fitness cannot beat NS men -lah.A soldier is physically at his best from 18-26 years old but one thing I have to say is that in the Jungle age dont matter experience does.

tankfanatic SG

both army look fit to me...since both eat the same instant mee

Short Ninja SG

The third guy(Seng CM) at the top pic is a not really super fit> Mr. Green but a very good soldier.If you want to compare like that then you have to take their stool sample to determine who more fit.

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