SG buy satellite guided Himars rockets

last SG · 2007-09-15T20:49:22+00:00

Land Forces News Army Fields HIMARS to Fourth Battalion US Army | Nov 27, 2007 FORT LEWIS, Wash: The High Mobility Artillery Rocket System is now being fiel...

chino65 SG

Well, that
s an interesting scenario.

(If the Astros is detected before firing no need to say...)

Assuming the Astros can remain undetected until firing, and then scoot seconds after shooting, how will the HIMARS target the Astros?

CM06 SG

What a waste to use a GMLRS on astros though. That's what the Air Force superior numbers are for.

Cluster munitons are best used on armour formations/ reinforcement troop movements. To delay, disrupt and destroy.

Shotgun SG

Counter-battery fire and drop an over sized arty footprint on them.

sgdiehard SG

precision is the key to avoiding death and injuries of civilian. To be precise, location is important. If Astros is not undetected then there is nothing the airforce, the artillery, LSV, commando or anybody can do.

If Astros is our prime target in any hostility, then locating the Astros is one of the primary missions, by all means, at all cost.

HIMARS is just an additional mean to take out the targets once located, especially, when HIMARS out range the Astros (depending on what munitions is used).

Just imagine, when target location identified, it takes time for F-16 to take off, for apache to approach target, but we only need to press the button, if target is within range, HIMARS launched, ...good luck to them.

gary1910 SG

US rockets that are available for M270 MLRS/M142 HIMARS:
From M26 to XM31:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/mlrs.html

US tactical missile for M270 MLRS/M142 HIMARS:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-140.html

Israeli munition for M270 MLRS/M142 HIMARS:

1) With Ramam Trajectory Corrected System, range up to 45km( latest report) with better accuracy as compared to M26.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/self_propelled_artillery/mlrs/MLRS.html

2) Israel has also developed a GPS guided tactical missile called EXTRA with range up to 150km, with 2 missile in one single pod.

http://www.defense-update.com/products/e/extra.htm

3) Delilah GL Precision Surface Attack Weapon or LORA, is still under development, range could be as high as 300km and beyond.

http://www.defense-update.com/products/d/delilah.htm

chino65 SG

Assuming a previously undetected Astros fires from 40km away. Immediately Astros launch is detected and our HIMARS is launched against it.

Assuming the Astros took only 30 seconds to fire off its load, and drives off within one minute of firing, can our HIMARS take this Astros out as it is fleeing?

What is the flight time of the HIMARS to travel 40km?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Originally posted by gary1910:
[b]US rockets that are available for M270 MLRS/M142 HIMARS:
From M26 to XM31:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/mlrs.html

US tactical missile for M270 MLRS/M142 HIMARS:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-140.html

Israeli munition for M270 MLRS/M142 HIMARS:

1) With Ramam Trajectory Corrected System, range up to 45km( latest report) with better accuracy as compared to M26.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/self_propelled_artillery/mlrs/MLRS.html

2) Israel has also developed a GPS guided tactical missile called EXTRA with range up to 150km, with 2 missile in one single pod.

http://www.defense-update.com/products/e/extra.htm

3) Delilah GL Precision Surface Attack Weapon or LORA, is still under development, range could be as high as 300km and beyond.

http://www.defense-update.com/products/d/delilah.htm[/b]

The Israelis have their own rocket launchers, not limited the the MLRS system. Vaguely recall they have T-55s with launchers on top.

gary1910 SG

I was only looking at what are available for our HIMARS.

Israeli has a number of home grown rocket systems, but they also uses US MLRS.

sgdiehard SG

How far can the Astros run in the next 10 mins? 15 mins? 20 mins?

chino65 SG

Or let me put the question another way:

Can we track a Astros and destroy it with HIMARS while it is on the move?

It's a question, not a challenge - just in case you have the wrong idea.

Shotgun SG

If we got Eyes on, and the astros is out in the open, we can use a sat guided Himars on it.

The footprint for the payload should be enough to cover up for minor estimation mistakes.

gary1910 SG

With HIMARS using Unitary rd against a moving target will be difficult but what if we get the M30 DPICM GMLRS?

It is as accurate as XM31 but with a larger spread of the AT/AP bomblets, should be able to disable some if not all the vehicles of A2 battery by saturating the area with salvos of M30s.

Then you may say that what if they are using SS-80 which max range of 89km whereas our GMLRS is above 70km, so may give them a standoff distance against our HIMARS?

There are other munitions options is available, 300km ATACM or Israeli 150Km EXTRA both with DPICM as well as unitary rds.

Then we also have Hermes 450 which is reported to be able to carry 2 SPIKE ER, with their constant survelliance and weapon to act against them, at least 2 will be destroyed especially the C2/FCS and FCS vehicles, becos w/o them , the effectiveness of the A2 batt will be greatly reduced.

With better survelliance equipment like the new G550 CAEW which have better ground survelliance as compare the E-2C plus all the new equipment above, our Astros hunting capability has greatly improve!!! Cool

lionnoisy SG

satellites will most likely be used .----Strengths of our defence capability

crisp.nus.edu.sg---The Centre for Remote Imaging, Sensing and Processing (CRISP)

CRISP is currently receiving and processing data from the following satellites:

SPOT
ERS
RADARSAT
SeaWiFS, NOAA and FengYun 1C
TERRA
IKONOS
EROS

2.SG ,i think,has rights to zoom in certain locations
in real time in case of emergency.

lionnoisy SG

there are many ways to track enemy missiles launch site:

1.Satellites

2.F5-T

3.Made in SG MAV-Multi role Autonomous Vehicle

In test flight lah.

can carry a load of 20kg of equipment like cameras and sensors. It has a wingspan of 1.8m

4.E-2C and land or sea based radars

5.Hermes 450 (H-450)

Max Endurance: > 14 hrs

6.Recently official confirmed back packed UAV

7.Human int--SOF,Recce or agents

MAV-Multi role Autonomous Vehicle just added

Atobe SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
there are many ways to track enemy missiles launch site:

1.[b]Satellites

2.F5-T

3.E-2C and land or sea based radars

4.Hermes 450 (H-450)

Max Endurance: > 14 hrs

5.Recently official confirmed back packed UAV

6.Human int--SOF,Recce or agents [/b]

All the above were used by the US Military during the liberation of Kuwait, at the time when Dessert Shield was staged as well as during Dessert Storm.

It was dubbed 'The Great Scud Hunt''.

Saddam Hussein launched his Scud Missile attacks on Israel and US-UN forces in Saudi Arabia with impunity, and none of the mentioned system listed from 1 to 6 worked during to protect lives.

Saddam's mobile launchers remained undetected - and except for one reported incident of an empty launch vehicle being detected and destroyed - no Scud missile launched were destroyed during the launch flight stage.

The Patriot ''anti-missile'' Missile did not provide the expected shield, and had actually caused collateral damage from partial destruction of the targeted incoming missile.

<Precious> SG

Wah lan..... excuse to raise GST to 20% liao! Evil or Very Mad

For wat? To kill dengue mosquitoes har? Rolling Eyes

touchstone_2000 SG

No DPICM please, I don't think we want to go down that road of creating landmines from bomblets.

baer SG

MRLS, whatever the warhead used, is not for moving targets. even arty counter battery fire is like hit or miss. mobile targets is best MRLS can hope to hit.

Doctrine: MRLS is for high value 'first hit' targets (comms centre, transport node, infrastructure like bridges, power and utilities, emplaced HQ (hard targets), either immovable or known locations (pre-surveyed) for such targets. Even large targets like airfields may not be targetted due to yield damage value.

To strike against other MRLS, odds can be lessen if possible sites are identified based on possible mission profile, range of enery system, ideal location elements (cover, road access, pre-surveyed (GPS) etc. most above is common sense which should be apparent to the intelligent user.

chino65 SG

Good post.

If there are still some people who still blindly insists the Astros is crap, we are invulnerable et etc... read the link Atobe posted: 'The Great Scud Hunt''.

According to the article, it said the Iraqi took only 6 minutes to flee the scene after shooting, and this is an ancient Soviet system. With the Astros, the time must be even shorter.

...

From the air, it is difficult to detect a MLRS truck before it launches. They can camounflage it in the jungle, turn off all engines and radars until firing. If on the road, they can camouflage it to look like an ordinary civi truck.

And earlier I posted an article that said that the US Patriot rate of success against the clumsy SCUD was virtually nil.

So basically, after a salvo of rockets are fired, you can only wait for the rockets to arrive. And hopefully a fighter CAP will track and destroy the empty launcher.

Is this corrrect?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Even if we had something like the Patriot or the S-300 (assuming it works), they could just spam us with missiles any way. No way we can hit all that.

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