RSAF search for new fighter to replace the F-5s

storywolf SG

Hello what are you talking ? You did not bother to read !!! Just yelling for the sake of yelling that tyhoon is the best .... !!! Yes but not in all area !!! There is still area that it does not have advantage over F-15 !!!

Of course all planes can carry 3 tanks andhave the refueling capability !!! But my scenerio is you you need a long range mission, without available fuel tankers support.

But for a long range of some distance - to carry the fuel needed - the typhoon with conformal tanks still need all 3 external tanks attached match the F-15 with conformal tanks only . This is why in extreme long range as analyst put it - F-15 will have advantage .

Of course you can alway say - can jetson the tanks then the typhoon will be be super agile again ? of course you can do that , but then you do not have the fuel to go home !!! In this sense F-15 does have the advantage in this type of situation !!!

Shotgun SG

Just to clarify something.

Our F-16's have the PW engines. Hence designated Block 52. Those that carry the GE engines are designated Block 50, eg those belonging to ROKAF.

Our F-15SGs are equipped with GE engines. Same engines as the ROKAF F-16s.

Pitot SG

Although i would also like to see a new type of plane in the RSAF's inventory, I believe that it would eventually be the F15SG and the F 16s again.

Its a proven battle plan. Unless something important pops up or changes the leverage in this region, i doubt there would be a new type.

Prove me wrong RSAF, pls. Laughing

duotiga83 SG

in real world you need to jetison fuel tanks for dogfghts......fuel tanks are meant for ferry flights.....are you saying that older generation a/c are better than the current 1? might as well dont replace it n keep using it Laughing

oh another thing....do you just rely on 1 article only or got other articles to prove your reasoning? thanks a million Razz

storywolf SG

in real world you need to jetison fuel tanks for dogfghts......fuel tanks are meant for ferry flights.....are you saying that older generation a/c are better than the current 1? might as well dont replace it n keep using it Laughing

Fuel tanks are for ferry flights ! for long distance mission - you will need fuel to ferry flight all the way there, and after ferry back home !!! You seem to alway ignore the fact that the moment you eject the tanks , you will not have enough fuel to ferry flight home !!!

Ok then you just prove my point !!! F-15 with conformal tanks can fight it out and come back ....!!! Typhoon have to eject it's tanks to fight, but then in the process it does have enough onboard fuel to come back !!! - this is not a question of who is the better fighter my friend, it is the question of internal, conformal fuel loading capacity !!!

Please do not use F-15A to compare with euro fighter !!! F-15E is a redesign with structure changes and improvement + better engine !!!

1st flight date of F-15E is 11th December 1986
1st flight date of EAP (eurofighter) August 1986

They are actually not that far apart in development dates - except people mistakenly use F-15A first flight date to compare with eurofighter !!!

So you are saying all things new must be better then new ones - very dumb comments ... !!! Every plane have its good and bad !!! I am just mention a weakness in eurofighter - and here you are like a spoilt kid jump up and down screamming no way !!!

Grow up, everything has a weakness - the eurofighter was design to be a top air to air plane it be stupid to put a big internal fuel tank inside to reduce its agile performance !! While a F-15 is for long range mission - thus it give up some air to air performance for super huge tanks !!!

SpecOps87 SG

Yeap...i very much agree that F15SG will be chosen again. Because simply its tested, proven and "fark-proof" so to speak. However, I did say that the Gripen does stand a chance greater den that of the likes of Rafale and Typhoon (though I wish to see them over our skies decked with RSAF logo etc.) but I have to admit..F15SG will most probably be chosen yet again. However, I'm not too sure as to why Gripen has been side-lined by some, because the size of the Gripen is about that of the F5. And I believe is has STOL capability that a full sized big-mother of an F15SG is unable to.Imagine having primary runways knocked out...with our PIE,CTE,SLE,TPE etc.etc...wouldn't it be prudent to have something small nimble and yet provide you with a capability to bite back and return to easily hide?

Also, in a dogfight...the pilot whom see's first, and is able to lock first wins. Simple as that...and a Gripen in the air...cuts a smaller profile den that of an F15SG...thats a undeniable fact. It is harder to spot, smaller, nimbler and more agile. Even with off-bore weapons, you still require to lock before engaging. I believe, even with helmet mounted, weapon sighting systems, you still require a good lock to engage your target effectively. So I would say...if budget and logistics weren't a problem...Gripen is a worth contender. But sadly...F15SG is most prob. what we will get.

storywolf SG

think it may have to do with the issue of the malaysia airspace .... less powerful figther -gripen may have to turn and turn to climb to operation height to avoid malaysia airspace . While F-15SG it just use its raw power to climb up to operation height direct without wasting time in turn and climb.

zenden9 SG

Estimation of the distance and amount of fuel usage is critical. Jetison the drop tank,u still have the internal fuel to send u back if yr estimation is well planned.

Arapahoe SG

Is SG F-15 body frame old or new?

Pitot SG

brand new

Arapahoe SG

"Crappy" u serious...i thought it was a sound/solid decision. In any case when u need it and it serve its purposed. U will appreciate the plane more.

duotiga83 SG

but 1970+ airframe......

duotiga83 SG

Guess you not seen the video of Eurofighter Typhoon take off performance.....no point arguing with you..... just because is AMERICAN n have CFT is way better than the EUROPEANS a/c? for goodness sake ...... Rolling Eyes

LazerLordz SG

Visual similarities do not really cut it.

In any case, let's be circumspect. The Eagle was supposed to replace the A4s.

duotiga83 SG

not visually...i mean the internal maintainance prob if they can redesign the 'wirings' inside the airframe, aka overhaul into current standards of control......

ok F-15SG is meant for Mud Hen role ...but now the requirement is Tactical fighter.....we got more than enough strike fighters already.....time to get something more capability of it......

LazerLordz SG

What makes you think the wiring is 1970s? The E series is already considered a fair bit outdated in comparison to the F-15K for RoKAF and our SGs. That shows the level of progression that has gone on beneath the surface.

duotiga83 SG

fundamental of F-15 is using rods to control the surfaces, not F-16 *cough* FBW control......read up more dude......the arguement gets more & more absurd it gets......

cheeze SG

isn't the F15SG still considered a Tactical Fighter?, and so are all the rest of the fighter jets. just that its optimised for long range-deep strike, but it can still turn and burn with the rest i'm sure. anyway with what i've seen so far, bvr is the way. with the new radars, the only time u gonna sneak one in to hit those bvr shooters is if the pilot screws up his radar management, and then what u see is prob a straight and level high & fast bvr shooter who doesn't even know u're there for the kill. even the most agile fighter won't help in this case.

jets that can fly fast, and high and utilise the bvr advantage, thats the way to go. coupled with the face that unmanned combat uavs are the way of the future, there are possibilities that dual-crew cockpits like the f15 can control a few uavs .... read it somewhere..

datafuser SG

South Korean F-16s use Pratt and Whitney engines. The F-15Ks are powered by GE engines.

Cheers,
Sunho

Joe Black SG

I think the argument to get more F-15SG is not strong. Why would RSAF get more deep strike aircraft when the skies are filled with latest Sukhois? I would rather see RSAF invest in some Gen 4/4.5 air superiority fighters like the Typhoon or even Gripen if the replacement is meant for F-5S.

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