Formation badges

sgf SG

Just curious why there is no formation badge for 21 Div. I can understand for 25 Div as that is a 100% reservist division. But 21 Div is active. And since 3, 6 & 9 Divs have their badges, why not 21 Div?

Also, how do they decide which formation badge to use? For e.g. my friend's in a NS infantry unit. But his badge is not Infantry, its 2 PDF. So take 30 SCE for e.g. Since they are under 3 Div, will their badge be 3 Div or SCE?

Not that it matter lah, just curious.

sgf SG

Are you a retard?

justcooler SG

Sometimes it will be great if we know there is a 21div and yet do not officially recognize it. Keep our neighbour guesting !!!

Also 21 div already had a formation badge... if you consider the the guards tabs as the formation badge.. except that we cannot recognize all elements in the formation.

soulwinner SG

I rather do have a badge…

Unknown_X SG

25 div is pure reservist fmn? frm wat i heard frm my previous ops wo, 21 div is supposedly a ‘classified’ unit. during last year’s saf day, when i called up those 21 div personnel for attendance, their appt all ‘classified appt’.

tripwire SG

not really... 25th division is "merged" with armor formation... like 9th division have been "merged" with infantry.

CM06 SG

... stay away from classified stuff here kthxbai. You all want go do PM.

sgf SG

Nothing really classified. If it is, it wouldn't appear in Tim Huxley's Defending The Lion City.

25 Div's commander is also Chief Armour Officer. And 21st Div is actually a rapid deployment force & its commander is the Chief Guards Officer.

Unknown_X SG

ic. didnt know abt the 25th division one. i was from 9 div. understood liao!

specialOps SG

keep silent on the things you know... about Divisions and units.

Certain units' names and numbers should not be discussed.

Rockhound SG

formation badges should be the standard shape...

6DIV round.....3DIV is a shield...imagine transferring from 1 division to another especially if u sewed on the velcro instead

sgf SG

So far, what we are discussing is no secret. If they were secrets, they would not have been in Tim Huxley's book.

specialOps SG

Tim Huxley's book is based on certain assumptions and is not 100% accurate.

Because most of us here were or is in active service, it makes our words credible and it becomes a confirmation to certain things our potential adversaries might be trying to guess and figure out.

A little info here and there by a few NSmen, regular and NSF about formations and units...will form into a complete picture with their other sources.

As far as I know... SAF only has 5 Divisions, 3, 6, 9 DIV...21st Div and 25th Div being reserve units and simply a command element for reserve NSmen.

justcooler SG

Well said, just leave it there as what we know.

the www is a very powerful tool for intel gathering. A bid of info here and there will form a great picture for our adversaries, about our strengths weakness, type s of units and tactics they employ, etc, etc. See why SAF like to keep secrets and publically announce some stuff.

WE should do the same, keep them guesting

sgf SG

I am simply quoting Tim Huxley. If it really was a secret, I’m sure the book wouldn’t have been published at all. Whether anyone wants to believe his book or not is up to them.

saline SG

tim can write all he wants, but it is up to us to admit or deny his statements.
Wink

specialOps SG

yup...sometimes we talk too much become auto-confirmation.

Since we're in this topic, might as well say this....there're all kinds of people here on this forum, its a public forum.

We cannot talk like as if its only Singaporeans reading this, if not we'll be quite naive.

Truth is, intelligence gathering takes place 24/7 from all kinds of countries, and alot of these are conducted thru open sources such as newspapers, forums etc. nowadays...cause Singaporeans simply talk alot on forums.

LazerLordz SG

When you study strategic studies and military affairs, you'd see much more publicly published articles, journals that might surprise you more.

And here we are dicking around what 21st or 25th mean. It is public knowledge that CGO is Comd 25th Div. And that's not even from Tim Huxley either. Rolling Eyes

LazerLordz SG

That kind of open source intelligence is but a generalised methodology and is not of negligible impact as one might think.

Thus, one must distinguish between opsec breach and fair, debate and discussion about information that is widely available (lack of knowledge of avenues does not count as a reasonable excuse) .

sir sickolot II SG

i tot CGO was Comd 21st and CAO is Comd 25th?

but one thing is for sure, CIO is also 9 Div Comd.