Will China help?

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

I’d sooner run to the US for help than run to China. I don’t trust the Chinese leadership too much, and the idea of being a vassal to them makes me shudder.

crusader91 SG

Dream on….......After how we suppress the communists by locking them up.

pinkish purple papayas SG

Being a vassel better than being a colony?

look at the european colonies, its all about genocides, plundering, slavery, expliotation and mining...

at least china vassels of vietnam, korea, japan still kept their monarchs and autonomy.. trade and culture flourished in these vassel states..

Of cause lah...now modern politics is a different story liao...but history always repeats...and no city state(singapore) has lasted more than 100years in human history?

pinkish purple papayas SG

Anyway, i think China will not help us.

If those muslim neighbour country attack us. no one will help us..cause we lack people and communicative skills...

China may just offer some condolences to our predicament. Since u actively renounce racial and cultural ties with mainland.

Even china's poorer tier2 cities also got more population than us liao..

If we dun like them, dun expect them to like us too.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

It's in some ways better that we remained a British Colony with the rights of a British citizen rather than the current situation.

sgdiehard SG

Who are the people in Malaya and Singapore who helped China during WW2 ? did your grandfathers give any money to the United China relief or the national war fund? If you have no affiliation whatsoever to China, why do you expect China to come to your aid when you are in trouble?

If Singapore were attacked someday, we would be hoping for international intervention from all friendly nations. We hope our weapons suppliers, especially the american, would rush to us the ammunition we need for the war, what aid do we need from China? Contribution to the United Singapore Relief Fund? Embarassed that I believe there will be more contribution from China than from any other country.

In the unlikely event that Singapore were overrun by our enemy, there will be an american carrier here to evacuate, first the american, than the citizens from other angmohs countries. The Japanese and Koreans would have to evacuate their citizens too, and of course the Chinese, naval vessels from PRC and ROC. If you are not already on safe ground by then, what choice have you got but hope that any vessel, including one from PRC, would take you and your family to safety?

You will be lucky if you can land safely on Hainan island before you move on to country of your choice, if you have the means. Or do you prefer the Philippines or Vietnam, or may be India, if the rescue vessels go west?

You can continue to dream of holding a british passport, but then what is so bad about a PRC passport if you can stay in HK?

The better hope is still to ensure that Singapore cannot be overrun by our enemy. Smile

Dr Who SG

Our forefathers certainly gave much to China, to the extent that when the Japanese came, they went on a witch-hunt to kill all the supporters of the Chinese war against Japan.

The Chinese Chamber of Commerce estimated 40-50,000 civilians were shot by the Japanese immediately after their conquest of Singapore. Japanese records admitted that they had killed only 6000. The truth lie somewhere in between..

Even Indians POWs who refused to join the pro-jap INA were used as target practice :

Those who did not die were bayoneted to death

Bones of Chinese victims.........mindef photo.....

Dr Who SG

Lieutenant-General Shinpei Fukuyei, commander of the prisoner of war camps in Singapore and Malaya during the occupation, was told to point out the place where British prisoners of war were executed. He was later shot at the same spot on Changi Beach in April 1946.

chino65 SG

Why? Why will we be "farked"? Please explain.

Arapahoe SG

than we all go back to China.....Historical claim kick in. We will be arguing in speaker corner why we should remain as a fishing village. Laughing

Dr Who SG

The 2 fearsome Bears.........

Arapahoe SG

I don't think u know what you are talking about. Than again you have not lost or experience so you won't know until you loose it.

It is typical of chinese culture to practics culture conform. Its own Culture revolution and Its behavior towards Tibet, Eastern china are a great example of force conforment. The insistant of strict behavior and enforce thru PLA police is a method widely used. As such given a PRC nationalistics behavior If it comes to SG, it bring along these characteristics. I don't think majority of 2nd and 3rd generation SG understand that aspect. Is not free if they come. Mr. Green

In any case what make you so sure that if PRC do comes they are going to leave?

It goes beyond the chinese food n skin deep that we share. Is about idea and social behavior.

beavan SG

omg nice cartoon.

sgdiehard SG

You got mixed up completely between politics and cultures. True chinese culture emphasize "middle of the road" philosophy, "zhong rong zi dao", never go to the extremes. Over the years, while most of the philosophy from "Lun Yu", words of wisdom from some religions, virtues and teachings from legends in Chinese history were retained, many traditions that originated from myths and folks religions have been discarded with greater knowledge in science and technologies. Modern comsumerism has even corrupted the culture. There was never any "force conforment".

PRC, PLA, Tibet are politics, PRC is not Chinese cultures. In fact, during the cultural revolution in China, the commies had tried to destroy everything linked with culture and traditions. PRC, under the commies, are not representative of Chinese culture. PLA are communists originated from Marxists, a German in Russia, not Chinese. The people in China before WW2 embraced communism because they were poor, and communism gave the "hope", not because it was "Chinese".

Culture to a race, or ethnicity, is more than just some ideas and social behavior. How much do Singaporean know about Chinese cultures to comment on the culture? Embarassed

sgdiehard SG

How many people in Korea were killed by the Japanese in WW2? In east indies, east borneo, thailand, philippines....many were massacred, many were innocent civillian, others were defending their own countries. there is no doubt some Chinese in Singapore and Malaya supported China because China was their home country (Singapore then was not a country yet). Japan invaded many countries during WW2, many people fought against one common enemy, but for their own respective country, not China.

footprints SG

Very well said. I've read some of your previous posts and they've all been really good with real in depth and level headed views. Great!!

Dr Who SG

Korea had been a Japanese colony long before World War 2. In fact, Koreans had to serve NS in the Japanese Army.

Many evil acts committed in Singapore and Malaya which were blamed on the Japanese Army were actually committed by Koreans in the Japanese Army. They were treated as 2nd class by the Japanese, so they bully the local people in turn.

Taiwan, another Japanese colony, provided Hokkien speaking soldiers for the Japanese Army, and acted as Interpreters for interrogation of suspects by the Kempei-tai secret Police.

30,000 Taiwanese natives died for Japan during WW2

' Laughing '

sgdiehard SG

Smile

LazerLordz SG

We should not rely on any single nation to defend us. Confused

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Originally posted by Dr Who:

Many evil acts committed in Singapore and Malaya which were blamed on the [b]Japanese Army were actually committed by Koreans in the Japanese Army. They were treated as 2nd class by the Japanese, so they bully the local people in turn.
' Laughing ' [/b]

It's still the Japanese Army dude, this is about under which nation's name they shed blood in, not their race.

And of course, the Japanese higher command did little to stem the atrocities coming from their own soldiers in any case, and santioned plenty of "projects" that led to much misery and death.

So yeah, the buck still passes pretty much to them.

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