What is next platform SG will buy 2nd hand

last SG · 2007-03-10T22:04:23+00:00

no doubt that's why our friendly neighbours up north got MLRS ....

LazerLordz SG

What we need are those smart artillery rounds, with rocket boost and GPS targeting. Laughing

CM06 SG

maybe.

lionnoisy SG

This is the way to save tax payer $$$.

Spent S$6m to get $43m---story of F5S

Saving in Upgrading F5 and buy Apacha
We have save S$37m in each plane
after we did the conversion instead of buying the new plan.The saving of
$1480m is more than enough to buy the first batch of Apache.

Head-up Display(HUD) of F5S STimes 04.04.1999
Square tells the pilot that it has locked its radar on enemy.
Circle--the calculated hitting point of bullets

Thrall79 SG

Well, we `ll certainly buy more Leopard 2s. That was what Teo Chee Hean says in the budget speech. My guess is that we`ll probably get around >200. why is this? We already have a supposed holding of >120 Tempests MBTs for a period of time before Malaysia purchased the Twardies or any MBTs. This number seems about right. And in the case that Malaysia buys more Twardies, we can certainly expect more Leopards. It is also a certain thing that they will be upgraded to at least the A5/A6 standard as is the case with all 2nd-hand goods. If so, they will be the most powerful MBTs in SEA.

The other thing to note is that I hardly think the Leos are meant to replace the AMX-13s. We still have the new light tank project for that. i just love how MINDEF twists everything up. For all you know, they could even say the Tempests(they never denied the existence of these machines remember) will also replaced by the Leos and in the end we`ll probably have about 300 Leos just like the AMX-13s. Meanwhile, Mindef could call the light tank a multi-role armoured vehicle which is nevertheless armed with a 105mm/120mm gun like the US`s FCS. So ultimatelty, we`ll literally end up with a highly capable and numerically superior tank force.

With Mindef you`ll never really know and im really proud of them.

Thrall79 SG

Our neighbours never bothered our feelings. MLRS is an offensive weapon....heh...that speaks volumes about their intentions anyway

That`s because they are seriously lacking in the artillery department. Really...

^Delta^ SG

Leopard 2 MBTs are also hardly defensive. Apache Helicopters are not exactly typical defensive weapons. What is to stop us from getting MLRS? It is in the pipeline definitely, but can't reveal more here.

And hey... Who cares about the environment when the survival of the country is at stake? Laughing

^Delta^ SG

This kind of solution is excellent.

Very good.

Not good for the people who like to try to frighten us with flimsy threats.

CM06 SG

MBT, attack helis are still considered under a "defense" weapon. Anyway while theirs is a grey area(both defense&offense) of definition, what i meant was MLRS is purely offense in the weapons world..it's not and never considered a defense weapon that's all i mean. Procuring it just shows that Malaysia has offensive intentions lar!

And when i say environmentally friendly, i mean it when we train, fire live round for training and Maintainence. Those solid fuel boosters are very hard to maintain and dirty to clean up...hence what i mean by environmentally unfriendly. Use in fighting okay..but day to day ...it's another story.

On other thing else, i believe we wont procure 300 Leos, it's a good tank, but it's not our tank. We will buy more but wont replace 1 for 1 Sm1. simply because leo takes 4 crew and SM1 3. A full leopard force will stretch our css elements but quite a bit afaik. Not to mention 3 Mbt we can get 4 LT...Mindef will always go for the LT for less manpower/more firepower balance. We will procure a bit more Leopards to firm up a full strength unit(+) level and leave it as that. The rest of the Sm1s will most likely be replaced with a locally produced LT. I bet the leopard purchase is also for other reasons related to our LT if my guesses are correct. (Germany dont have that many left to sell anyway since they might consider mothballing some for war reserves. the Leopard is a damn good tank after all!)

Arapahoe SG

We don't need MLRS. If you study closer it is more of a psychological weapon against Singapore more than a effective offensive tool. It is effective against Singapore because we are small den population easy to inflict mass casulty.

For us to have MLRS we would have a broader spectrum of targets and area to fire to. If you look at Herzbollah the damage on israeli are more psychological than tactical gain.

So if for some reason they press the button n decide to launch MLRS it is to invade Singapore. won't be surprise if some rocket landed in JB. Singapore Arty and RASAF will take care of those targets.

I think to balance the strike capability is to acquire Surface to Surface launch capability. In that case the entire western Penisula is within target.

Arapahoe SG

oh by the way if they use MLRS against Singapore...It would be Suicidal, a few image of HDB flats and CBD building collapse shown on BBC and CNN, ABC.

think about it....the news media around the world will chew them apart. Big country bully a small island.... Think of the political consequence if they use the weapon.

tek_koh SG

my guess

a second hand AWAC platom as mentioned earlier on

recently dunno who annouced that E-2 will be phased out or upgraded soon
so ya..tts the only probable purhcase i could i tink of

CM06 SG

Sorry dude, there's few things i want to find out. Firstly, are you Singaporean? I asked because your terminology of our stuff is ...kinda odd... I'm talking about the post above the one i'm quoting like "Singapore Arty and RASAF" but that's just me.

Anyway, with regards to use of MLRS, no one in the right frame of mind would use that against civilians.

MLRS is an area suppression weapon. It is to denial the enemy of quick advance as well as disrupting and even destroying any remotely large gathering of enemy forces. Very good prepping for an assault by mechanised forces by "softening" defensive sites and blanketing laager areas.

Other strategies of their use include counter-battery fire from safety due to their usually longer range rockets vs artillery rounds. (15-80 km vs 10-30km) as well as a strategic targeting to wipe out enemy HQ that hide deep behind the front.

It is an extremely useful tool to have hanging on your belt.

And NO. It would be a break in Singapore Defense Policy should we ever acquire surface-surface launch capabilities like that of cruise missiles. It's threatening and puts the entire region into instability. How would your neighbour feel if you own a sniper rifle that can anytime hit him in the head? Bad idea. MLRS is not under this category.

Thrall79 SG

my guess

a second hand AWAC platom as mentioned earlier on

recently dunno who annouced that E-2 will be phased out or upgraded soon
so ya..tts the only probable purhcase i could i tink of

It won`t be second-hand for this one Wink It will be far better than the Hawkeyes Wink

^Delta^ SG

Its unlikely that we procure 2nd hand AWACs.

An advanced new system is needed to maximize the capabilities of our new F-16C/Ds and F-15SGs.

tek_koh SG

i believe we will be using systems similar to Phalcon, using Active Phased Array Electronic Scanning Technology rather than a mechanically rotating antenna.

smaller platforms like Erieye(which i think is too small), or Wedgetail 737

Thrall79 SG

Haiyah. Everything has roots and causes/indicators. Wars dont happen overnight. It takes time. When the call to arms is issued in malaysia(faced against an opponent like singapore as it is), Singapore and even other countries would be aware of it. By which time, the Astross would be long gone. Any decent military would keep stock of the movements of such equipment. You can`t hide military movements of that scale and it is equally hard to hide intentions for a conflict of that scale.

However, this is where the situation is different for Singapore and it confers a lot of benefit via Singapore`s smaller land mass and military doctrine. We can mobilize resources and assets so fast that it is nearly impossible for them to respond adequately. And we`ve been doing it so frequently, it is a hard take to tell if we`re really serious.

The Astross is more or less an effort to balance out thier relative lack of artillery pieces as compared to Singapore. But it`s inefficient. They`ll probably use it to shoot and scoot away on thier own territory while RSAF birds and other intelligence/surveillance assets are flying over-head. The poor drivers and men.

Im not sure if we will get any form of MLRs though; especially if our long range shots are delivered better, cheaper and with more precision via our planes and overwhelming artillery. At current force levels as compared to the Malaysians, we will be too over-powering to procure any MLRS now.

We will probably be getting some new long range cruise missiles to go with the F-15SGs like South Korea; Slam-ers or JASSMs. Im sure the Malaysians and Indons are looking at Brahmos though it will take them ages to decide on anything.

touchstone_2000 SG

IMHO, generally speaking:

1. UH-1H replacement. This was delayed due to F-15SG
Are we going for commonality for the Naval aviation and Air Force?

2. Transport aircraft C-130 is a bit small. The next higher model is either not available A-400 or too expensive C-17.

3. Introduction of GPS guided munitions from ST?

spartan6 SG

1) UH-60 or NH-90 r possible choice

2) More second-hand C-130-30H or new C-130-30J

3)Longshot Range Extension System

lionnoisy SG

LALEE to replace E2C?

But the spec of LALEE was well written at least in 2001....

DATE:04/05/04
SOURCE:Flight International
Singapore details UAV programmes
Images of single fuselage vehicle displayed at conference; overall strategy to be based on "swarm and proliferation;
Singapore is continuing work on its Lalee long-endurance unmanned air vehicle requirement, but is some years from delivering a capability, says Maj Alfred Fox, director of the Singapore ministry of defence's newly established future systems directorate.

To perform airborne early warning, maritime and ground surveillance, and communications relay duties, the high-altitude system will work alongside Singapore's existing military surveillance satellite programme.
Initial Lalee concepts released in 2001 were based on a twin tail- boom design, giving rise to speculation that the air vehicle would be a derivative of the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI)/EADS Heron/Eagle 1 system.

However, during a 21 April presentation to the Unmanned Vehicles Asia Pacific conference in Sydney, Fox displayed images of a single fuselage air vehicle with a large, underslung phased-array radar. The images indicate a radar configuration with a surveillance range of around 150km (80nm).
Fox says Singapore's overall UAV development strategy is based on "swarm and proliferation;, and that its planned Fantail and Skyblade systems provide the most immediate focus.

The army plans to acquire the Singapore Technologies Aerospace Fantail vertical take-off and landing UAV (VTUAV) to meet a requirement to conduct urban operations.

I want to see the images....

2.i hate SAF/DSTA disclose to non--Sporean about SG projects...

3.

38. A UAV designed for a continuous coverage mission will require the operating cost per flying hour to be very low, below US$1,000, to be affordable. A continuous coverage station will require the flying of about 10,000 hours per year. The capital cost of acquiring the platform and payload, say at US$50m will be overtaken by the operations and maintenance cost after five years of operations.........

---http://www.mindef.gov.sg/nps/technical/paper1.html

NAVAL PLATFORM TECHNOLOGY SEMINAR 2001(Version 6.0)

Text of Address by Prof Lui Pao Chuen, Chief Defence Scientist
Naval Platform Technology Seminar 10th May 2001

CM06 SG

1) Dont forget the EC-135 for parts commonality

2) I agree on this point..but more on the C-130J-030 since its a newer model..we might trade in the old ones for more new ones?

3) Hmm maybe we learn to make our our JDAMs guidetail kits?

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