What is next platform SG will buy 2nd hand

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Well, MLRS are grid square removers, so any errant arty will cause massive problems with us if they miss their intended targets.

On a different note, the issue of northern arty is a real problem for this is something that can neutralize the RSAF if needed even before it can get off the ground (or at least seriously hamper operations by cratering runaways or scattering submunitions).

To prevent such a thing from happening, we need to push back all potential launchers beyond 100+ km from the bases (assuming ER rockets)... now how's that going to work unless we have a serious pre-emptive strike plan in the works?

spartan6 SG

Still dun understands Question C-130 can carry 3 light tanks, ATTC is not soft-skinned

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

How can one C-130 take three light tanks???!!! Shocked Shocked

CM06 SG

The C-130J can carry up to 37,200 pounds or an average of 16.85 Tons.

THe C-130J-030 (stretched) version gives an addtional 30% increase in lift capacity (about 50,000 pounds) or about 22 Tons.

M113 is 13 tons. SM1 is 18 tons. . . so one herc for one armoured vehicle. Not good odds heh.

Yes the Chinook is a better carrier for armour vehicles (27 tons, CH47-SD) However its external lift. vs internal lift of C-130J

I want to see AC-130s hehe. dream dream....

touchstone_2000 SG

No need to dream lah. DIY Spooky not that difficult implement, just damn difficult to justify.

2 or more aircraft just for flying around at night.

Target acquisition cameras (low light and or infra red). with auto pilot slaved to fly in a circle to keep the box on target.

CM06 SG

Not easy to DIY.

But If can,

Under nose Config: (controlled by co-pilot)
dual-barrel 30mm Chaingun

Side, wing stub pylons(each side) Guided and control by WSO inside the body.
8 X spike(NDS) + 2 HARM + 2 Sidewinder
32 X 76mm **Guided** hydra rockets pods

Each door (slide to different gun, slide away to exit/leave man by a gunner each)

twin-barrel super light 40mm AGL +
0.5 HMG+
GPMG (minigun too overkill IMO)

+ extra ECM, CMS, Up-armour

Five man bird of DOOM...muahahaha....*dream* *dream*

Someday man..*dream dream*

kotay SG

Dude! The CH-47SD can lift 27 tons ??!! Where did you get that from?

spartan6 SG

Sorry sorry my mistake Embarassed wroung aircraft Mr. Green Anyway Neutral AMX-13 is only 13 tons

LazerLordz SG

our Herky birds' airframe will not sustain that kind of mod.

CM06 SG

I read from a supplier website haha...anyway here's the break down:

The CH-47 D chopper has 3 external hooks. The central hook can carry 12,000kgs. While the other two can carry 7,500 kgs EACH.. total 27,000kgs = 27 tons. Tada. Dont forget this is external lift @ 260kph. Internally, it can carry an additional 2 Humvee OR 33 fully equipped troops.

SGtyran:

we dont have to use our current Hercs (but reinforce maybe can with some cuts to the armament) hehe...i'm looking at the spanking new ones that i hope we can get.

kotay SG

Errmmmmmm ... Dude .... the Super D has a listed empty weight of about 11.5 tons and a maximum takeoff weight of about 24.5 tons. Which makes the actual payload capability to be about 13 tons (incl. fuel) ...

The cargo ratings you have are to be taken in the context of "AND/OR not exceeding 13 tons" not in a strict "AND" context.

beavan SG

and the RSAF wants to keep the birds new and unstressed. so they normally fly with at most half loads if i'm not wrong. Mr. Green

CM06 SG

Sorry sorry you are right, i got that from army-technology website. I made a bad 1+1 = 3 conclusion . However the triple hook performance is as stated and is used to ferry 155mm howitzer + crew +ammo.

Taking from the Boeing Website,

the Ch-47D has a payload of 24,000 pounds or 10.8 tons

the Ch-47F has a payload of 21,500 pounds or 9.75 tons.(it's a -d model + avionics/engine/blade upgrade)

Apparently we have the -e/g OR hh-47 model..ii'm not sure..the website a bit weird

Correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks.

storm_freaky13 SG

Gattling/Miniguns for spookys wont be overkill. Considering the idea behind the spooky is to lay down massive amounts of firepower to keep the enemies heads down. GPMG will just overheat with its one barrel within a minute of continuous firing. Thats the reason for a minigun/gattling gun. Multiple barrels for sustained and prolonged firing. Also, at that altitude the cycling rate of the gattling will prove to be useful to the gunner for predicting the trajectory of the bullets. I think it will be nice to put an AGL while we are at it for our Herc.

If we ever do it that is.

*oops din see carefully that u already added the AGL in ur shopping list.* haha

Shotgun SG

Then the missile didn't hit seletar camp, but rather it hit Piccadily and Old Birdcage walk le. If you're talking about Seletar east camp, even if it hits the edges of it, all the way up until the new guard room, its not gonna "catastrophically" murder thousands of civilians in structures.

Yes, I don't live there, hence I don't really care. =)

What you said was,

There are lots of army camps located near to residential areas. Seletar & Nee Soon are 2 of the many. Aim the MLRS at such camps & you wipe out the camps AND the flats there.

I havent' seen a HDB estate at seletar east camp. And that was what I was getting at.

I'm still trying to count the number of camps located near "residential" areas that is considered "lots." Still can count with 1 hand leh... Maybe u shud provide a list.

In anycase, Singapore is one huge residential area. Thus, maybe every camp should be considered near residential areas? Rolling Eyes

sgf SG

After a long winded story, my point is still the same. In a densely populated place like S'pore, using MLRS on military targets will definitely see stray missiles end up in civilian areas. And mass murdering of civilians is not something horse country or any country wants to be etched in the history books.

And maybe losing a few dozen civilian lives is acceptable to you, but as far as I'm concerned, even 1 civilian death is too many.

Shotgun SG

Sad but true. War will have its side effects, and thats civilian casualties. Lan lan suck thumb have to absorb one. The moment we start a war, we have to be prepared to grieve, accept and move on for all the inevitable civilian deaths.

Arapahoe SG

Saw the picture of C17 transport plane. Do you think RSAF will get those to replace C130.

i sat in C130 to taiwan.

Fatum SG

no doubt that's why our friendly neighbours up north got MLRS .... Laughing

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