Y SG armour dun use 50 cal?

last SG · 2007-03-14T21:06:01+00:00

Originally posted by tankee1981: Please allow me to shed some light. The reason why the SM1 coaxial and turret mounted MG are without butts is to enable the...

tek_koh SG

As mentioned in the title , y is our armour unlike those of the Russians, Americans who fits 12.7mm gun onto their tanks as AA weapons and other MG purpose? while we, germans and brits uses the 7.62mm GPMG?

ditzy SG

Have what, armour has .50 HMG what. Laughing Wah lau eh, so difficult to cock it, can understand why we don't really want it also.

beavan SG

not to mention difficult to aim on the move

tek_koh SG

i mean not as the mian weapon like the 40/50 on the m113 or bionix, wad i meant was as a defensive weapon like on the m1

wonderamazement SG

Your title like no relevance to your post leh... Wink .50 cal, then suddenly talk about why never use 12.7 like the US and the Putins...

Shotgun SG

The russian 12.7mms are the equivalent of the .50cals.

tek_koh SG

http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm

haha sorry for the confusion but ya..12.7mm = 0.5 inch

M551Sheridian SG

u mean like for the captain/loader/gunner to use de against soft skin vehicles n infantry/supressing fire on a tank?

spencer99 SG

Eastern bloc's HMG's is 14.5mm.

and yes 12.7mm is actually 0.5 inch. Same thing.

moca SG

I've asked this question here before, but never got any useful answers.

Some even insists that the AMX-13 had no room for a .50 to be mounted. I refuted this wild guess by posting a pic of a foreign AMX-13 with a turret roof-mounted .50 - with room to spare.

We may call the AMX-13 a light tank but when you actually climb onto it, you realise how big it is externally.

The only satisfactory answer I got from one post was that the AMX-13 never operate alone, and will always be supported by other IFV like Bionix or Ultra. And these support vehicles will have plenty of CIS 50, 25mm cannons, SAMs etc. What the AMX-13 3-man crew should concentrate on is using its 75mm gun on targets that require this firepower.

Still, I am pro putting the CIS 50 on tanks. There is already a GPMG mounted co-axial to the 75mm. Unless the reason is that there are no more room to store enough ammo for the .50.

Most of the time the stated purpose of the .50 on the turret roof is air defense. This is when SHTF and you're alone, you have something to shoot at enemy helicopters. Or if you're out of 75mm ammo and you see a enemy IFV...The CIS 50 can fire Saboted Light Armour Piercing rounds which would be useful against lighter vehicles.

But this is all moot as we are now getting Leo 2s. So it will be interesting to see if there will be a CIS 50 on the Leo turret roof.

CM06 SG

SM1 use canister rounds on a regular basis.

moca SG

Haha, how regular? Mr. Green

Seriously, canister rounds and GPMG are both anti-personnel.

I was talking about having an additional weapon for taking out fast moving lighter vehicles without having to waste one 75mm round. Your AMX turret may not be able to turn fast enough to hit a fast-moving target. Or a limited last-ditch air defense capability.

CM06 SG

canister is soft skin and anti light helis as well. Regular enough.

Caninster/Heat/APFSDS. Three different rounds.

sgf SG

A little OT. I notice the Bronco with SRAMS (watever its called) and Primus are armed with 7.62mm MG. Was wondering how useful that is against enemy armour. No doubt the Bronco will never travel alone & the Primus will not go charging into battle against enemy armour, BUT what if an enemy IFV (don't even talk about MBT) was to come across a Bronco or Primus. Isn't the 7.62 round practically useless?

Is there a reason a higher calibre gun isn't used instead? Like the CIS 50 MG. Surely it doesn't take up that much more space. Its not as if we're talking about a 30mm Bushmaster cannon.

tek_koh SG

Anyway Primus has anti tank capabilities..woo!

But also take note that the Germans uses 7.62 MGs on their Leo as well

moca SG

Yes, it's strange, the Germans use their MG-43-lookalike 7.62 GPMG almost exclusively on their tanks.

However, the US and IDF never leave home without the M2 Browning.

beavan SG

like if u aim the 155 totally at the tank right?

Texcoco II SG

Actually MG-42 and MG-3 are the same weapon, except tat MG3 is design to fire 5.56mm NATO instead of the old german kar rounds

CM06 SG

Hence why the bronco is never alone. It's suppose to be behind friendly forces or with AI coy. Any indication of intrusion they will smoke and zoom off. Quite hard to hit a very fast moving target.

For primus. it's just like an old atg. 155mm round without charges allows it to fire in straight position anyway. 155mm enough to punch a REALLY big hole in any ifv.

by the way .50 how to punch a hole in an ifv? 40 can if you fire like erm like 30 rounds.

CSM SG

if i put on the m113, all the new chiao will complain heavy..knn..