Please do not be of the illusion that you do not deserve what you get in here...
but I see you have improved the general quality of your posts as
well as quietly backed off some of your more dead-end positions
despite offically claiming to stick to your guns so that's an
improvement I guess.
For the sake of everyone, use quote tags. I mean if you expect your
posts to be answered at the very least you have a duty of sorts to
make it readable. If not well... let's just say it's pretty obvious
who it reflects on.
Nice touch about Gardenia, sushi, aunties at kopitiams, and of
course the now infamous ba chok mee
. these titbits really add
some good taste to this forum, although I really dont see their
relevance in this forum. Please use better examples.
Is it any surprise that you don't see their relevance given you
found economics boring and hence no surprise demostrated an
appaling lack of skill in them currently. Apparently you have
forgotten even your most basic lessons.
And a nice try to dismiss Gardenia, sushi and what other simple
examples I brought up to illustrate the point as irrelevant... are
you trying to imply that you lack the ability to understand how
simple examples like this relate to your inherently flawed
questions?
I think you actually do, but prehaps are hoping to sidestep the
issue. But it seems that any honest fellow here can see their
relevance to many of the things you raised, for had they been truly
irrelevant or bad points, they would hardly be explored in real
world hard examples in the posts by others that followed.
Why do you insist on shooting yourself in the foot?
However, I also think that an off the shelf rifle manufactured
locally cud have achieved the same result of having a excellent
weapon and having an assured supply of rifles.
Same physical results
prehaps, but then again I think others have already mentioned the
numerous other advantages of local procurement for such a
bread-and-butter piece of equipment that ultimately makes the
option... given we already have the experience and means, quite a
bit more attractive then merely manufacturing some elses'
design.
And of course, one also mentioned some time back that as it went by
our recent history, even manufacturing an off-the-shelf system
presented issues that were often out of our hands to manage, ending
with us having to suck thumb.
There are many ways to skin a cat, but either way about it the
SAR-21 is a pretty decent solution to our small-arms upgrading
requirements. Should the SAF implement the issuing of various
different variants to suit the various needs? It seems to be part
of the idea of the 3G transformation, so it's a wait and see
thing.
At the end of the day, it only makes sense to take the course of
action that brings the most benefits to you.
Oh, Tyra you think that Primus or CIS .50 are may be primarily
flawed ? How so ? I personally think we shud have got off the shelf
M109A5s or 6s and upgrade them. After all, the Primus is already
half a M109 because of its chassis. I dont know anything about the
CIS 50.
You seem to make the same misake of misreading points, making
the same error as the "exploding barrels" post. That aside no I do
not think the Primus or CIS .50 are primarily flawed in any way.
Please take the effort to comprehend before posting.
And it's also quite apparent you did not do any homework on the
Primus before going about what you "personally" think... the SAF
did consider getting M109s and many other SPH systems off the shelf
before the decision was made to develop the Primus.
The story goes like this:
"The idea for a
self-propelled howitzer within the SAF was developed in the early
1990s, with the aim of providing better fire support to the armour
brigades in the Combined Arms Divisions. This new weapon system
would require the ability to keep pace with the high tempo of
armoured operations, while providing the range, firepower and
accuracy that the artillery is renowned for. The 155mm
self-propelled howitzer was seen as the obvious choice.
The decision to develop the Primus was made after a market survey
in 1995 and 1996 of some of the world's best self propelled guns
from the United States (M109 Paladin), Britain (AS90 Braveheart),
Japan (Type 75) and Russia (2S3M1) found them either too heavy or
too wide for local terrain. They were known to have a lot of fire
power, were highly mobile and very survivable but they were also
very heavy, mostly in the range of 50 tons, and the SAF needed
something lighter. The SAF needed the Primus to weigh less than 30
tons and be no wider than 3 metres, for it to move across bridges
and through the local vegetation. Hence the decision was made to
develop a completely new self-propelled howitzer.
Leveraging on its experience with designing, developing and
producing various towed artillery systems (the FH-88 and FH-2000)
for the SAF, ST Kinetics, together with DSTA began the development
of the Primus in earnest in 1996."
The SAF was looking for a "pocket" SPH of sorts that could fight
closer to the front then conventional SPH units as well as keep
within the rather stringent size and weight class requirements of
the SAF (a rule we made an exception for their Leo2s in response to
the northern MBTs).
As it went there is currently no SPH system in the world that
neatly fits this bill and hence the Primus was born.
The C.I.S .50 was also born in a smiliar way... the SAF decided the
M2HB used back then was getting a tad unwieldy.
Does that answer your questions?
Anyway good points by Moca on ST arty, given ST makes some of the
best arty pieces in the world and it's only another step to expand
those competencies to SPH systems.
In many ways one should be able to see the Primus coming from ways
off, given ST's ability in making great arty pieces it would be
only logical for them to expand into the SPH role when the time
comes to it.
