Singapore's Tragedy

last SG · 2007-02-22T17:54:39+00:00

S’poreans should stop going to Batam or Bintan for that matter…whether for some serious shopping, eating or for the seamy part. ‘Cos them Indo may think we a...

storm_freaky13 SG

As most of you have pointed out, its just rantings. Just bear with it and leave the job to the government.

I think when they are in need we should help, because the world is our audience not just that country alone. If we can back up what we say with what we do it makes us WAYYY more credible than most around us.

Unfortunately for Singapore, being a small red dot, we HAVE to be staunch and be number one. Otherwise we really have nothing else to market. And about Changi being off route. i find that quite weird as its the first time anyone has ever said that. I looked at the map, and i really think Singapore's location is PRIME. its near to most countries in Asia. Not only geographically it makes our placement prime but also because of the infrastructure and support for Flights and Maritime vessels. Together it makes Singapore one of the best if not the best stops to stop over to re-sup and repair. Otherwise how do we win awards like busiest ports etc.

Went abit OT but the main point is we have to remain the top to compete with the rest because thats sadly what we only have. People and the ability to do great things.

soulwinner SG

They only make loud noise only... if they are powerful, they have already long ago.... Very Happy

audiovideo SG

maybe we feel frustrated and bullied at time because our govt did not shout back at these country that make noise. So over time we don't feel "shiok" as we can't let go our anger. we can do the same to humiliate them by calling them names and reminding them that they are poor, backwards and useless ...but probably that will make the matter worst cos their leaders and ppl are less "developed" and may react animally...also that will tarnish our first world good name ......if they can't use their head properly then talk law and order is the best way out cos they will then know they are in the wrong and will eventually give up. Laughing .... they can't use force cos they have no capability. .....emm... they good at terrorism ...goodness Evil or Very Mad

unless we have invest and donate so much in these countries like Japan and threatening to pull out the funds and aid is enough to scare the shit out of them. can we use money "soft" power?

Joshua1975 SG

as leaders of SG, our GOV are not doing much, why are "we" SGrean making so much noise?

it is the same reasons from GOVs of Thai and Indo. our GOV are diverting attentions away from 7% GST, TAXS, unemployment etc etc... they are most highly paid GOV on EARTH kay, leave it to them. any idea that coming MAY or JULY interest rate are going up? those with house loan or whatever loan, what are you going to do? shouldn't you worry about this than to what other that are just making noise.

it not my problem?

i fight for my family, fight for my friends than i fight for which ever country that fight for me.

Twisted Evil Globalization.

Rolling Eyes Embarassed out of point again.

glock SG

We actually want our neighbors to be rich so that they do not need to use the little red dot as an excuse for their troubles. A win win situation benefits everyone, but our neighbors don't see it.

The little red dot , unfortunately , needs to tread carefully, speak softly band carry a very big stick.

ah_kwang SG

true. actually our neighbour up north also kinda realised that they do need us instead of what most malaysians believe that singapore needs malaysia more than they need singapore. its just a matter of national pride that they dun own up i guess. you can read it in today's ST article "Malays need not fear Singapore". sorry cant find the article online but mainly it says malays esp those in johor shld not think that malays are inferior and also they shld be more receptive to sg investments in the upcoming johor SEZ. Although the article did not state explicitly that they need singapore $$ to kick start investments it can be somehow inferred.

not sure if most of you realise this but since the new malaysian PM took over, there's less sg bashing frm the malaysian govt (except occasional rants from Dr M). I guess they realised the need to attract sg $$ and maybe thats why they want to have the SEZ in johor rather than somewhere further north. so i guess their govt is starting to see that its a win-win situation if they are more receptive to globalisation and sg investments. however not all the nationalistic, normal malaysian see this.

but i guess IF they manage to develop their johor SEZ and begin to reap the economic benefits, nationalism will slowly slip away and effects of globalisation will begin to seap in. they will then start to see sg as a friend and source of investments. in this case they gain and we also gain from having a larger investment zone in SEA benefitting both MY and SG with the combined larger market(so that we can compete with larger economies like china).

I guess SG govt already realised this long long ago and SG investors are ready to go to anywhere as long as it guarantee money flowing back into our pockets rather than just base our investments on nationalistic sentiments. MY must start to open up to us then we can become good neighbours.

calvin2224 SG

Maybe the government can retaliate quietly and unofficially at times when an irresponsible foreign government or leader takes pot shots at Singapore. Otherwise, what is there to stop them from committing these despicable acts repeatedly?

Perhaps the government is already doing this, by deliberately slowing customs/immigration procedures at the causeway and Tuas, such that Singaporeans are put off from visiting Malaysia. In this case, less Singaporeans visit Malaysia, thereby spending less money in that economy. Such retaliation can be unofficial and masked (like citing "security checks" in the example of customs clearance), so that we can be equivocal about denying that we are even reacting to the provocation. I have also suspected that certain Western governments indicate displeasure at other countries by the use of travel advisories against travelling to the targeted countries.

If we adopt such methods, Singaporeans shall not feel demoralized and helpless against irresponsible provocations from foreign leaders. And since such retaliation is informal, they are deniable and will not invite tit-for-tat reaction.

tankfanatic SG

ish i wouldnt worry about malaysian hating singapore. because...well its not really true. ive been there most of the time nobody throw rock at me.

its just a misconception. their leader yapping about political stuff yet a lot of singaporean and malaysia have dual citizenship and their loyalty shouldnt be questioned.

i say make friend with malaysia and thai, make them rich and at that time we are even richer.

for crying out loud half of my realtive live there!lol

malaysia vs singapore? what we should worry is how to stop the comunist chine Kilo class from threatening the trade sealane.

moca SG

Koreans kill Koreans.

Vietnamese kill Vietnamese.

Iraqi kill Iraqi.

Etc etc etc.

Why wouldn't Malaysia be a threat to Singapore? I'm happy that it's been very peaceful so far, but you can never take anything for granted.

FireAndHell SG

Still waters run deep. You never know what the northerners are really thinking. Perhaps waiting for the time when northerners become rich and powerful and can afford to arm themselves fully. Than some craze northerner politician may just decide to wipe out the little red dot off the map, intermingling relatives or no intermingling. Anyway, most intermingling relatives are chinese, get what i mean?

No one knows what the future holds. Luckily, SG gov. have good forward planning to safeguard little red dot's future. Razz

moca SG

Islamic extremism is spreading like wildfire all over the world, why should SE Asia be left untouched?

Thailand - of all countries - is already a Jihad war zone though no one has called it that, yet.

We are a little red dot surrounded next to the most populous Islamic nation - Indonesia.

Islam in Indonesia is turning from religion to ideology there and is seen by many of the poor as the solution to their problems.

The same has already happened to many parts of Malaysia especially the north.

The current governments of MY and INDO are all pretty benign inspite of all the posing they do. But let one madman gain power on the back of some religious ideology in these countries and we're in danger .

A weekend trip to a village in Batam last year gave me the impression that we should keep up the high defence spending. Mr. Green

I remember feeling quite relieved when the ferry entered SG waters and there was this big-a.ss RSN warship there.

audiovideo SG

EXACTLY!! Mr. Green

LazerLordz SG

The incentive for the administrations in MY, Indo and Thailand to clean up their separatist movements is the absence of American intervention in this region.

But they are stuck in between the devil and the deep blue sea. Clamp down and they risk a greater flare-up, which may also lead to radicalisation. Limited autonomy and urgent wealth sharing may the only solution. You have to give people a reason to protect their property and value their own lives.

FireAndHell SG

Originally posted by moca:

[b]A weekend trip to a village in Batam last year gave me the impression that we should keep up the high defence spending. Mr. Green
[/b]

heehhehe...a sidenote...... Laughing what were you doing in a Batam village last year? Shocked Twisted Evil

moca SG

Or do like Singapore, arrest them and then set them free like they did with the JI fu.ckers.

And probably housed and fed at the expense of taxpayers. Not to mention 24-hours security and surveilence.

Some reverse psychology at work.

moca SG

Originally posted by FireAndHell:

heehhehe...a sidenote...... what were you doing in a [b]Batam village last year? Shocked Twisted Evil [/b]

I was with my family, as my brother-in-law built a seaside bungalow there.

The immigration officer didn't like my face and refused to stamp my passport and told me to "balek rumah".

I simply pretended not to understand him and smiled until one of our local contacts spoke to him and got things worked out.

My advice is when getting off the boat, don't wait till last. The immigration sons of sows pick on the last people to extort money as there are less witnesses or impatient crowds qeueing up behind.

A walk through the village - no vice, very Islamic - with mosque and prayer speakers everywhere, was quite unpleasant as even the kids have scornful faces for us Chinese Singaporeans.

During a bargaining session my loud-mouthed older sister had with some malay fishermen over the price of fish, things got very nasty and we suddenly found ourselves confronted by 8 very pissed off fishermen in their 20's and 30's.

We were inside their hut by the sea, in a remote malay village we reached by motor boat. They threw the fish down and started kicking at things and talking angrily in bahasa. These people gave me the impression that they are fishermen only by day, other things by night.

My sister, dressed in brightly coloured clothes and thinking she's in Chinatown, Singapore, did not sense the danger. I told her loudly to just shut the xxxx up and we made a cautious retreat. The anger in my voice when I spoke to my sister made the fishermen felt a little better as their male pride were probably offended by this badly-dressed and rude Cina woman.

In spite of all SG government is trying to do for the Indos, it continues to be money wasted. (Of course, you have people like my sister countering the governments PR effort by making Singaporeans thoroughly unliked all over the world.)

These Indos and MY people blame all their problems on us, and want nothing more than to see us suffer even if they gain nothing tangible from it. So guys, take your NS seriously. If they fu.ck around with us, make sure they end up as fertilizer.

Short Ninja SG

Your face look like Gus Dur- lah Laughing .Do you know that Gus Dur (Abdul Rahman Wahid ) got Chinese blood?
Islam is not just a religion,its a way of life.If we try to change muslims way of living they would naturally feel threatened.All religion teaches good but they also separate people,the religious teachers are to blame for fanning hate and violence not the religion.The best way is to learn a bit of each others way of life so we dont step onto other people tail.Also its advisable to have local guide when you are a new face.Wah if you kena color like that in Batam.....better not go to Sulawesi Mr. Green

Originally posted by Moca

I was with my family, as my brother-in-law built a seaside bungalow there.

The immigration officer didn't like my face and refused to stamp my passport and told me to "balek rumah".

I simply pretended not to understand him and smiled until one of our local contacts spoke to him and got things worked out.

My advice is when getting off the boat, don't wait till last. The immigration sons of sows pick on the last people to extort money as there are less witnesses or impatient crowds qeueing up behind.

A walk through the village - no vice, very Islamic - with mosque and prayer speakers everywhere, was quite unpleasant as even the kids have scornful faces for us Chinese Singaporeans.

During a bargaining session my loud-mouthed older sister had with some malay fishermen over the price of fish, things got very nasty and we suddenly found ourselves confronted by 8 very pissed off fishermen in their 20's and 30's.

We were inside their hut by the sea, in a remote malay village we reached by motor boat. They threw the fish down and started kicking at things and talking angrily in bahasa. These people gave me the impression that they are fishermen only by day, other things by night.

My sister, dressed in brightly coloured clothes and thinking she's in Chinatown, Singapore, did not sense the danger. I told her loudly to just shut the xxxx up and we made a cautious retreat. The anger in my voice when I spoke to my sister made the fishermen felt a little better as their male pride were probably offended by this badly-dressed and rude Cina woman.

In spite of all SG government is trying to do for the Indos, it continues to be money wasted. (Of course, you have people like my sister countering the governments PR effort by making Singaporeans thoroughly unliked all over the world.)

These Indos and MY people blame all their problems on us, and want nothing more than to see us suffer even if they gain nothing tangible from it. So guys, take your NS seriously. If they fu.ck around with us, make sure they end up as fertilizer.[/b][/quote]

soulwinner SG

They u should orgnised a military onslaughter to keep their mouth shut.... there is no use discussing here.... Very Happy

ninefold9 SG

It's time to consider not sending them relief aid or money each time
they are hit by disasters.

Giving donations must be seen by them as a way to appease them
They have the impression that the donor country is afraid of them.

The more you give, the more they threaten you. So stop giving.

Ask UN to solve their problems.

ninefold9 SG

They need to find somebody to blame so as to make them feel good.

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