Singapore to Acquire Refurbished Leopard Tanks

last SG · 2006-12-11T19:06:02+00:00

And my point is : Nowadays, an uneducated desert insurgent can blow up a tank using IEDs......even the famed indestructible Israeli Makarva or M1 Abrams,,,,...

fallin SG

Eh, with all the big APCs and IFVs, do infantrymen still ride on the outside of tanks? Some people already said, its impossible for the M1A2 because of the hot exhaust but can infantry do that for our Leos?

gary1910 SG

Gr8 find , tks.

BTW , it was USD48m , not 46.

Aaron8105 SG

lionnoisy SG

An efficient and effective Euro-LEOPARD

SPEC of LEOPARD 2

Height above the turret roof/commander periscope

2,64 m / 3,00 m
Combat weight

59,7 t
Long 12 o'clock gun / 6 o'clock gun

9,97 m / 8,49 m
Width while transported by rail/with track skirts

3,55 m / 3,74 m
Maximum speed
(reverse)

72 km/h
(31 km/h)
Road range

470 km
Engine performance

1100 kW (1500 HP) at 2600 rpm
Main weapon

120 mm smoothbore cannon
Secondary weapons

Coax 7.62 mm MG
AA MG 7.62 mm
16-tube launcher system
Crew

4-man
© 2005-2007 Krauss-Maffei Wegmann & Co KG

Paladin SG

I don't get it! Rolling Eyes

Why are people out there drooling over German's automobile like Benz , BMW, VW and you guys just simply can't accept the Leopards?

The Germans are great engineers and they developed great stuffs.

Just what so f**king great about the M1 anyway? Why should SAF chose M1 instead? Please enlighten me.

I'm not against the M1 but please tell me why you think it is a MUST have, and not other MBT?

fallin SG

Because people worship the Americans. What the Americans use MUST be good. Cultural imperialism if you may.

LRRP SG

I tend to think that this is a very good deal. astute move by SAF.

Any thought?

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quote:Originally posted by lionnoisy:
This reports stated that Sg paid US$46 million for 66 refubrished tanks,30 spare tanks.

some may be in Aussie for training

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Gr8 find , tks.

BTW , it was USD48m , not 46.
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Fatum SG

compared to what our neighbours paid for their MBTs, I'd say it's a steal ... especially when the polish army themselves BOUGHT leopard 2 tanks .... Laughing

LRRP SG

For a "mere" 50 mil, it solved a big part of the tank replacement problem SAF have been facing for a long time.

but i still think we cant get away from the need of a light tank.

beavan SG

the sm1s won’t be decomissioned

tankee1981 SG

Yes, it won't be decommissioned any time soon... Very Happy

moca SG

Huh?

I thought MAF paid pineapplesl and coconuts for their tanks or sumpin'...

gary1910 SG

They paid partially with cash and in kind (palm oil) which I heard abt USD4.5mil per unit, more expensive than USD3m T-90 that Indian bought and 9x more expensive than our Leo 2!!!! Laughing

wonderamazement SG

If i’m not wrong, the M1 Abrams & the Leopard tank were sort of in the same development project between Uncle Sam & Germany but along the way, germany left to build her own tank…which was the Leopard.

gary1910 SG

It was MBT-70.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT-70

wonderamazement SG

You can see that the turret looks a lot like the current M1 Abram's one.

glock SG

I think M1A1 is more advanced overall than the Leopard 2 A4. But the Leopard 2 A5/6 is at least on par with M1A1. However, the gas turbine in teh M1A1 is a pain as it needs lots of expensive clean jet fuel. Leopards use MTU diesel engines and the Germans build great diesels.

Anyway , it is a steal at the prices we bought them at. I believe that SAF will not accept an A4 standard Leopard 2 - they will definitely upgrade close to at least A5 standard ( however, without the longer 120 mm gun ).

moca SG

So, in other words, the cunning Poles unloaded their overpriced PT-91 on our neighbour so they can buy some REAL tanks?!!

But ill humour aside, this begs the question: Why this move by the Poles? Surely this is not the right business move for a country trying to sell its own domestically-produced tank?

Is it because a second-hand Leo 2 is really so much better than a brand new PT-91?

Or is it because a seond hand Leo 2 is WAYYY cheaper than a locally-made PT-91?

spencer99 SG

The Poles need a "NATO" "Standard" tank....

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