Singapore Army Introduces Bionix II Infantry Fighting Vehicl

last SG · 2006-10-24T15:20:10+00:00

Interesting pt, perhaps add more smoke grenade for thr AFVs to solve the problem.

Manager433 SG

One question: Is the Bx fully aircon?

Manager433 SG

Lianhezaobao reports tat the Bronco will replace all M113 in future.

tankee1981 SG

Manager433 you have the link to this? Its interesting.

I agree that the Ultra are fast growing obsolete, they should be decommissioned and kept in storage for the Reservists when the BXII gradually takes over its place. The Bronco did very well in terms of speed, versatility, AI comfort and maybe even better armour than the M113.However, i have doubts that the Infantry carrier version of Bronco is a good replacement as it lacks firepower. Is it possible to add a RWS on the Bronco?

LazerLordz SG

The M113 Ultras with Bushmaster OWS is still a potent force..

zenmaster SG

Here's another clip from STI.

http://straitstimes.asiaone.com/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=c03286105abf9010VgnVCM1000000a35010aRCRD&vgnextfmt=vgncimid:ad3126f2a957e010VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD

Manager433 SG

Correction. Its reported in today ZaoBao.

gary1910 SG

I think LianHeZaBao got their info wrong, it should be Bronco Mortar Track Carrier will replace the current M113 based SP 120mm mortar carrier.

Read David Boey report in the today ST Pg H6 for the ans.

2ndly, the M113 and Bronco are 2 different type of vehicle for different purposes.

The BX will eventually replace the M113 , not Bronco.

gary1910 SG

Here the scanned article by Spiderweb6969, in fact I predicted the abt the replacement yesterday in the new forum b4 the article is out.

equlus84 SG

I was thinking the Mortar varaint of the Bronco, why dun they make a better design for the mortar carriage itself. I mean it looks like the old typical 120mm mortar for M113. U see, if they make a more roofed and thicker armoured protection for the carriage, it should be better. Just like the AMOS mortar system mounted on the Finnish patria 8x8. The bomb is fed into the tube from the bottom not like the conventional way, thus the crew is very much protected, not like the Bronco. Another thing is why the SRAMS system, why is the bomb placed on the mehcanical slot and then raised to be fed into the tube? I mean wad advantage is there comparing the mechanical arm and the lifting by human?

The SRAMS has lots of advantages for the infantry and guards. Bcos the mortar has very low recoil thus it can be fitted on top of those 4x4

ken_nerve SG

the mortar is loaded from the bottom. no need to drop from the top. quite cool.

bx 2 got no aircon. got 1 fan in driver compartment, 1 on gunner side in turret and 2 near the ramp. if only got aircon man... shiok.

chillycraps SG

actually is still dropped from the top, just that now the gun will bring it to the top of the muzzle, that's the difference from conventional mortar.

watch this video

beavan SG

Laughing

yes?i'm the first batch trained in it

beavan SG

not at all

hloc SG

yes?i'm the first batch trained in it

So.... was the system any good Question Can you even talk (write) about it the last thing that i need is to drink coffee with ISD people Mr. Green

moca SG

Just saw the clip.

Wah, very "hard sell" for STK. Some of the soldiers including Teo Chee Hean is wearing a black baseball cap that has the big logo BIONIX2 in front.

The only thing lacking is a telephone number flashing on the screen and a voice over saying "order yours now and the first one hundred callers will also get a ....etc etc"

In the last part of the clip, a line of Bionix is charging with guns firing. One vehicle was going faster than everyone else and seemed to me to have broke formation and cut diagonally into the path of the other Bionix that are still firing their guns!

It looked to me like a situation where it will likely to be hit by friendly fire from behind by the other Bionix he was overtaking, if they were firing live rounds.

Goes to show you should still look at where you are driving instead of a computer screen. So much for being "more aware of the battlefield".

spencer99 SG

They said 4x MTTC replaced 6x M113 SP Mortar.

Does that mean that the number of "tubes" reduced from 6 to 4?

spencer99 SG

Will existing BXs be upgraded to BXIIs?

gary1910 SG

Yes, but there is no corresponding reduction of firepower and more efficient.

Let's do the maths.

Bronco MTC firing rate is 10rds/min

M113 SP MC firing rate is 6rds/min

So 4 Bronco MTC batt ~ 40rds/min,

6 M113 SP MC batt ~ 36rds/min.

Manpower reduction is also significant,4 Bronco MTC batt needs 4x4=16 gunners,

whereas M113 SP MC batt needs 6x6 = 36 gunners, 55% reduction!!!

And you include the survey team and that of the command vehicle for the M113 SP MC batt that is no more needed, the number is even higher!!!!

I also believe that the towed 120mm mortar batt for the infantry units will also be replaced by the SRAMS on LSV in the future becos of manpower reduction, lesser preparation and higher rate of fire.

wisefool83 SG

Hmmm..... but the area of impact would be smaller cause firing only from 4 tubes, so smoke screen may be smaller than before.

chillycraps SG

reminds me of infantry crossfire/crosslane. At least infantry bump into each other then just fall down, armour vehicle bump into each other, oopz.

the BX don't have 360 degree periscope right? At least they should include a CITV like the M2 Bradley.

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