Stay Away From The Walls

last SG · 2006-11-27T21:37:01+00:00

Stay away from the walls ? Is it a truely a good advice that come out from iraq ? Well it seem like a good ideal especially when when RPG rounds hit the wall...

scabstermooch SG

That is a different situation altogether. You see in SWAT you know no one is going to take a pop at you as the enemy's general location is known. Hence there is not need for them to take into account ricochets.

And when you are in a room I think staying with the walls helps to cut down on confusion and helps prevent blue-on-blues.

SpecOps87 SG

Alright.Thanks for sharing the insights! Very Happy

sand king SG

Reminds me of saving private ryan, when the fella was tying his lace he made the wall fall lol

scabstermooch SG

I'm just guessing! I still think it is wholly unneccessary though as I doubt it matters all that much how close you are to the wall when you are sbeing shot at with anything from 7.62mm to RPGs!!! Hence I think it was added to make the delta guy look, in american parlance, "shit hot". Just like the whole nonsense with "this is my safety".

SpecOps87 SG

Oh well, still at least it broadens my perspective. So when moving in a FIBUA / Urban environment, the best is to play by ear the situation. Just curious, with the 7 men section, what is the ideal placement of the troops?

glock SG

Read the book & recall same advice from Delta trooper.

I believe he was speaking from real urban combat experience.
Makes sense that when rounds fired at low glancing angle, bullets will follow the length of the wall & if you are close to the wall you have hi chance of getting hit from such rounds.

Never thought about it but it makes sense. Maybe something for SAF to learn from if true.

Shotgun SG

I don't think SAF should learn too much and adopt whatever tactics and strategies from these American Experience wholesale. In Mogadishu and Iraq, the Americans were engaged in COIN ops. They were not engaged against another professionally trained military.

Whatever improvements and implementations they have made MAY only be applicable to fighting ill trained insurgents.

In actual FIBUA action against another military, we won't be seeing rag tag militia men shooting out of windows on their own, or just be popping an RPG every now and then. The intensity of firepower brought on would be ten fold and more accurate. Instead of AK pot shots, it would be carefully laid MGs and SAWs + sharpshooters. Instead of single shot RPGs, we'd be up against Grenade Launchers and AGLs. What is learned from Mogadishu and Iraq MAY not apply in our case.

I think the Brits actually showed the Americans how to tackle FIBUA back in 2003 when they took Basra. Massing firepower at critical points, taking sector 1 block at a time. Once the sector is secured. Bring up more firepower to secure the sector before moving on to the next sector.

wonderamazement SG

In the book… it was stated that one Delta Operator told one ranger that bullets follow walls, and they would rather move in the middle of the street and not with their backs against the wall.

moca SG

What's does that mean in English?

Tuki SG

"stay away from the wall" and "this is my safety" were both in the book too if u read it and i dont think it was for dramatic purposes

Shotgun SG

More psychological than technical approach to avoid getting shot. Perhaps the mogadishu would use the walls to target the American soldiers. Perhaps it was easier to aim while contrasting the targets along walls?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

I don't think so... any case the Somalis were terrible shots... if they were actually shooting at something to begin with. What it is with this mentality of spraying one entire mag of AK from the hip sans butt wield we tend to see with militias anyway? How long does it really take to become a decent shot with an AK?

SpecOps87 SG

I quite agree with you. The militia always seem o have a habit to at one pull of the trigger send an entire mag down range...its almost like they are spraying and praying. So yeah, given the choice I would rather be trained to hit what I aim then just empty mags down range.

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