Lightweight Small Arms

lionnoisy SG

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Lightweight Small Arms Technologies

Key Objectives

* Reduce weight of weapons carried by infantrymen by at least 35 percent.
* Lessen weight of ammunition by more than 40 percent.
* Maintain or improve lethality and reliability over current systems.
* Improve ergonomics.
* Reduce training and maintenance time.
* Ensure compatibility with the Future Force Warrior (FFW) Soldier System.

hloc SG

Wow.... caseless ammo Exclamation Reminded me of the Pulse Rife in Aliens......

tankee1981 SG

The caseless ammo have been developed by HK in the past for their futuristic G11 rifle. I think we should also pursue such technologies as we been an Asian, city dwelling and NS army, we should stand to gain alot from light-weight weapons. The reservists will certainly thank such light weight weapons! Another reason is that we no longer need to pick up the empty cartidges and sending them in after training if we use caseless rounds, this means we can save lots of time. Very Happy

http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm

glock SG

The G11 with caseless ammo project was cancelled due to cost and complexity. Technology for caseless ammo not mature enough. Costs far outweighed the benefits. The Germans ended up with the HK G 36, a very good rifle , but with evolutionary improvements only.

Even the lastest small arms just introduced have small improvements over previous generation of small arms such as M16 and AK74.

fallin SG

May I ask, is there an issue of spent ammo casings hitting people during training or something? Pardon me,haven’t been though NS yet.

glock SG

Caseless ammo is totally cylindrical with the bullet completely inside the case.

No extractor device needed to extract & eject spent brass case - weapons is simplifed & no jamming can occur as extraction & ejection sequence is a major cause of weapon stoppages.

Also, no case means less weight - can carry more ammo.

No case to eject means no problem for left handed shooters who are hit by flying cases in right handed weapons.

ha8n SG

should b for both rite

Shotgun SG

Yes, when you are a left handed shooter. The ejection port for the M-16 is located on the right, so there is a chance the casing might be ejected towards the direction of ur face for parts of ur body. A deflector is placed to HOPEFULLY deflect the expent casing away from the body of a left handed shooter. Doesnt work 100% of the time.

SpecOps87 SG

Got burnt by one on the back of my wrist before.

Fatum SG

long stroke, soft recoil .......

a la ultimax 100 ? ... Very Happy

ditzy SG

Burnt my fingers picking up one before. Ouch. Laughing

hloc SG

Make sure expose part of ur body is away from the eject casing..... HOT Exclamation

LazerLordz SG

Caseless SAW? Laughing Now that would be something..

touchstone_2000 SG

Looks like something destined to remain forever on the drawing board.

1. $/round ? Looks extremely ex. With the war on terror going badly, still got the $$$?
2. SAW implementation. How are you going to handle overheating? All caseless implementation have cook off problems. That little brass cartridge removes alot of the heat expended during ignition of the propellant.
3. G11 broke H & K. Enough said.
4. G11 rounds needs to be sealed.

panzerjager SG

G11 was the weapon used by Michael Ironside's character as the villian against lead actor Arnold Schwarzeneger in the 1989 sci-fi action film Total Recall. Close-up of the weapon in the scene when Ironside was emptying
his G11 at Quaid (Arnie's character), only to realise that he was shooting at
a holographic projection (somewhat like Pig Cops fooled by HoloDuke in Dukem 3D

Fatum SG

actually, it's the brass casing that's the expensive part of ammo ... lead and powder are relatively cheap compared to manufacturing the casing and primer cap ..... that was one of the original motivation for pursuing caseless ammunition in the first place

if you take away the brass, you're cutting down on lots of cost in the long run ...

not to mention the tactical advantages in weight ... Wink

Quirinus SG

The advantages seem obvious but I can't help but wonder about weapon cleaning...
Since the rest of the ammo besides the bullet itself, burns up, won't that produce lots more carbon than a traditional cased round?