Only SAF buy ST's products?

saline SG

where u got this info from?

Fatum SG

australia or some other countries of course ...

it's no biggie, all our arty guns were tested in NZ anyways ... Laughing

tripwire SG

singapore aint that small that we cant find a place to test ATGMs...

2 ATGMs which were developed jointly by singapore and foreign partners are the matador and the spike.

saline SG

india and south africa as well. Wink

gary1910 SG

Here one , goto pg 9

http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/balance/ground.pdf

There were also official Turkish reports and also from Jane.

Mkek is the Turkish coy that licensed producing them which they called it as FT2000 Panter.

Here one abt Firtina:

http://www.caat.org.uk/publications/countries/turkey-precis-0303.pdf

Subsequently a $4.5 million contract was awarded to
Singapore Technologies for 6 guns, and a separate $2.5 million
contract was awarded for Technical Data Packages.

Basically, the 6 guns are SP variant of FH-2000, and the Technical Data Packages is the Technical and Production Specification of those guns which will be eventually installed into Firtina and Mkek is the same company that will be licensed producing them too.

In fact, do you know that our Primus SPH could have it's first export sales to Turkey way before it was officailly unveiled?!?

In the late 90s before TurKish army has chosen K9 as their new SPH, Mkek and STK actually presented a 155mm/39cal SPH that was based on a design from STK to the Turkish army.

When that reports was out then, Primus was not even officially unveiled, so no one even know what SPH was been offered by Mkek & STK to the Turkish army becos we dun even have a SPH for sales, but we do know now.

Anyway, Turkish army rejected it( it was called SP2000 too) becos they wanted a 52Cal gun, eventually the Turkish army chose the K9 but the gun will be of STK design and licensed produced by Mkek(that is why they bought the 6 guns and technical packages reported above)

gary1910 SG

Ok I, I have a copy of that JDW report:

Turkey unveils towed howitzer with 40km range
LALE SARIIBRAHIMOGLU
JDW Correspondent
Ankara

Turkey's state-owned Machines and Chemical Industry Board (MKEK) has unveiled the prototype of a 155mm/52-cal towed howitzer that has a range of 40km. The Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC) disclosed last year that it expected to field two locally-produced 155mm/52-cal systems, one towed and one self-propelled, later this decade (Jane's Defence Weekly 13 October). According to TLFC sources, MKEK received assistance from Singapore Technologies Kinetics (previously known as Ordnance Development and Engineering of Singapore) in the development of the new towed weapon.

The Turkish weapon is similar to the Singaporean 155mm/52-cal FH2000 that entered service with the Singapore Armed Forces in the mid-1990s and has since been offered for export. Serial production of the new howitzer will start soon, said MKEK officials. These will replace some of the TFLC's 500-plus 155mm M114 howitzers, which have a range of only 14.6km firing standard high-explosive projectiles. Late last year Turkey unveiled a prototype self-propelled howitzer (SPH), designated SP2000, equipped with a 155mm/39-cal barrel. This built on experience gained by MKEK in the modernisation of elderly US-supplied 105mm M52 and 155mm M44 SPHs. A second SP2000 equipped with a 155mm/52-cal barrel is due for completion this year.

Industry sources suggest that the SP2000 will not meet the army's specifications and that Turkey is seeking foreign assistance with the programme. The TLFC had hoped to acquire the Krauss-Maffei Wegmann 155mm/52-cal PzH 2000 self-propelled artillery system. However, the German government will not allow export of the weapon or subsystems to Turkey. Following preliminary talks between Turkish and Republic of Korean (RoK) officials earlier this year about the scope for defence industry co-operation between the two countries, the TLFC is likely to consider the new Samsung Aerospace Industries 155mm/52-cal K9 Thunder for its SPH requirement (JDW 29 March). The K9 is now in quantity production for the RoK Army.

beavan SG

Originally posted by gary1910:
Ok I, I have a copy of that JDW report:

[b]Turkey unveils towed howitzer with 40km range
LALE SARIIBRAHIMOGLU
JDW Correspondent
Ankara

Turkey's state-owned Machines and Chemical Industry Board (MKEK) has unveiled the prototype of a 155mm/52-cal towed howitzer that has a range of 40km. The Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC) disclosed last year that it expected to field two locally-produced 155mm/52-cal systems, one towed and one self-propelled, later this decade (Jane's Defence Weekly 13 October). According to TLFC sources, MKEK received assistance from Singapore Technologies Kinetics (previously known as Ordnance Development and Engineering of Singapore) in the development of the new towed weapon.

The Turkish weapon is similar to the Singaporean 155mm/52-cal FH2000 that entered service with the Singapore Armed Forces in the mid-1990s and has since been offered for export. Serial production of the new howitzer will start soon, said MKEK officials. These will replace some of the TFLC's 500-plus 155mm M114 howitzers, which have a range of only 14.6km firing standard high-explosive projectiles. Late last year Turkey unveiled a prototype self-propelled howitzer (SPH), designated SP2000, equipped with a 155mm/39-cal barrel. This built on experience gained by MKEK in the modernisation of elderly US-supplied 105mm M52 and 155mm M44 SPHs. A second SP2000 equipped with a 155mm/52-cal barrel is due for completion this year.

Industry sources suggest that the SP2000 will not meet the army's specifications and that Turkey is seeking foreign assistance with the programme. The TLFC had hoped to acquire the Krauss-Maffei Wegmann 155mm/52-cal PzH 2000 self-propelled artillery system. However, the German government will not allow export of the weapon or subsystems to Turkey. Following preliminary talks between Turkish and Republic of Korean (RoK) officials earlier this year about the scope for defence industry co-operation between the two countries, the TLFC is likely to consider the new Samsung Aerospace Industries 155mm/52-cal K9 Thunder for its SPH requirement (JDW 29 March). The K9 is now in quantity production for the RoK Army.
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why dun they buy our PRIMUS?and give STK alot of cash? Mr. Green

LazerLordz SG

I don't think they needed another M109 Paladin variant, which is what the Primus is.

gary1910 SG

Singapore Technologies Kinetics Expecting First Order for Bronco ATTC From France

The Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK) Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier (ATTC) has been fully operational with the Singapore Armed Forces for several years. So far more than 600 have been ordered with production still underway.

Bronco has already undertaken extensive trials in Finland and more recently in France as both countries have a requirement for a vehicle of this type.

Also competing for both of these requirements is the BAE Systems Hägglunds BvS 10, which is in service with the Netherlands and UK Royal Marines and has also undergone extensive trials in France, including the Alps.

The French Army programme is called the Véhicule Haute Mobilité (VHM) with a total requirement, funding permitting, of up to 400 units. Both contractors have submitted their bids to France. A decision is expected early next year, with first order expected to be for about 50 to 60 units.

For the French market STK (Stand H10) would send the vehicles to French company CEFA, which would fit specialised mission equipment. The vehicles would then go to Thales, which would fit the electronic equipment.

At Eurosatory, a Bronco is being shown in French Army markings and fitted out as an Artillery Forward Observation Officer (FOO) vehicle. Mounted over the front unit is a remote controlled overhead weapon station supplied by Thales and armed with a 12.7mm machine gun.

Singapore has already deployed a number of versions of the Bronco, including ambulance, repair and recovery, load carrier, troop carrier and fuel resupply vehicle. Other versions are under development, including one carrying the STK 120mm SRAMS (Super Rapid Advanced Mortar System).................

http://www.defenseworld.net/eurosatory2006/news/Singapore_Technologies_Bronco.htm

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BTW, Turkey is another interested party.

equlus84 SG

So the French confirm liao isit or ST they own sell said one? I wonder how how armoured lvl protection can the Bronco offer and wad variants the French wish to create out of it. Could the crotale VT-1 prototype on ST advertisement be the reason they choose Bronco?

tek_koh SG

any idea what makes the bronco itself so special compared to any other tracked carrier?

Manager433 SG

My own views:

Larger in size compare to Bv206.
Better Armour protection.
Powerful engines.
Most important: Cheaper in price and easier maintenance.

gary1910 SG

There is still no firm order yet, so we still have to wait.

And basically , there is not many competitor for this particular mkt, the other one is the armoured version of BV206, BvS10.

But it is also a very specialised vehicle which atm probably most likely customer will be from Europe but I believe eventually the rest of the world will also be interested.

So I believe Bronco has a very good chance of an export sales in the future.

tankee1981 SG

Originally posted by gary1910:
There is still no firm order yet, so we still have to wait.

And basically , there is not many competitor for this particular mkt, the other one is the armoured version of BV206, BvS10.

But it is also a very specialised vehicle which atm probably most likely customer will be from Europe but I believe eventually the rest of the world will also be interested.

So I believe Bronco has a very good chance of an export sales in the future.

Yes, i agree simply because this vehicle is so versatile! It can be reconfigured into so many different types of roles depending on the customers. Very Happy

hloc SG

Do anyone here have a short list of which countries have Confirm brought any weapons or stuff from ST......

I know ST is a major supplier of NATO type AMMO........ but how many countries is using our tanks, APC, Arty or guns......

New here..... Embarassed please help.

lionnoisy SG

SG's weapons is among the best in hardware and ''software''.read Kitty Hawk below.

1.when Branco in full production of loading 5000 kg,

BV 10s or 26's loading was then only some 3500 kg.pl correct for me.

2.ST's stuff not bad.

Seem won a No. 4 in IFV Olympics

One of the 4 finalists in US IAV multi billions contract,out of more
than 60 vehicles from all over the world. pdf

IAV also called MAV in initial stage.

from Strengths of our defence capability.

pl read my posting in this thread above for links.

3.SG's weapon in CV Kitty Hawk

gary1910 SG

Originally posted by hloc:
Do anyone here have a short list of which countries have [b]Confirm brought any weapons or stuff from ST......

I know ST is a major supplier of NATO type AMMO........ but how many countries is using our tanks, APC, Arty or guns......

New here..... Embarassed please help.[/b]

I have posted my list here:

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=424&st=0&

But I can tell you that it is certainly not complete becos STK never announced any sales, unless others have reported it.

lionnoisy SG

SG Branco ATTC payload is 5,000 kg while the new version of BVS 10 is only
3160 kg.

Singapore's Bronco ATTC

The first production Viking was delivered in July 2003.

Viking (BvS10) Amphibious Armoured All-Terrain Vehicle, United Kingdom

Viking (BvS10)
Weights
Kerb weight 7,400kg
Load capacity 3,160kg(old version BVS 26 only max 2500 kg)
Combat weight 10,600kg

Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier

Designed with an unprecedented payload of up to 5 tonnes,
the Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier has been built to meet the deployment needs of the future battlefield.

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