SM1 IMPROVED

last SG · 2006-09-12T23:04:58+00:00

We already have 80-100 Centurion MBTs which have 105mm L7 main guns... Add this to the unspecified number of tanks of unspecified origin with a mean gun to...

papabear20046 SG

UpArmoured Centurion ERA type

UpArmoured Centurion ERA type

papabear20046 SG

UpGunned Centurion AEV

papabear20046 SG

ONE OF OUR OPFOR ARMOUR (still used in large numbers)

touchstone_2000 SG

Rifled barrels impart a spin to the projectile. This spin really mess up the molten jet for HEAT rounds.

For rifled barrels to shoot HEAT rounds, you need to tail section spin. This identical to 84mm Carl Gustav rounds.

What about APFSDS rounds? The fins starts the spin action.

IIRC, NATO tank rounds are for all smooth bore. Only the British tanks used rifled rounds mainly to keep using their HESH rounds. This won't continue for long as HESH effectiveness as an anti tank round is very doubtful.

SpecOps87 SG

Thanks for the enlightment Very Happy

Anyway, can anybody share what the following represent and mean. HEAT,SABOT,HESH,STAFF,APFSDS,SLAP or any other types of tank rounds avb.?

I know HEAT stands for High Explosive Anti-Tank,HESH stands for High Explosive Squash Head right? But what are their uses respectively?

Thanks, and once again, pardon my youthful ignorance.

sgf SG

The govt neither admits nor denies. Plus the fact that Jane's already states we have it. Anyway, now that our neighbour has MBTs as well, it not really much of a big deal. If they can claim our MBTs are offensive, so can we for their MBTs. But they claim their MBTs are for defence, so we can too.

I believe we got our first F16s in the 80s but we denied it. But despite the denials I think the ppl up north already knew. Put it this way lah, it takes more than MBTs to win a war, so even if we did have MBTs, its not something to hoo & ha about. Its not as if we have cruise missiles, aircraft carriers or B2 stealth bombers.

Besides, its each country's right to buy whatever they see fit. When the M'sians announced plans to buy subs, MBTs, Sukhois, attack choppers, etc did we make noise? On the other hand, each time we buy a toy, the M'sians will start questioning the need for it. If M'sia doesn't need to ask S'pore for permission before they go shopping & they can buy anything they want, I don't see why we need to ask them for permission or worry about what they think. After all, like I said, its not as if we are buying nukes or the like.

As for MBTs being "offensive". Well I see M'sia's MLRS as a whole lot more offensive considering the large scale damage it can do & how inaccurate (compared to arty howitzers) they are.

Shotgun SG

SABOT = A lightweight carrier in which a projectile of a smaller caliber is centered so as to permit firing the projectile within a larger-caliber weapon. The carrier fills the bore of the weapon from which the projectile is fired; it is normally discarded a short distance from the muzzle. -> dictionary.com

Its a common designation for an thin armor piercing round made of some dense metal.

STAFF : Smart Target Activated Fire and Forget round. Its special tank munition, that once fired, it would fly above its target, and identify and destroy the it by an explosively formed penetrator from above .

APFSDS : Armor piercing fin stabilising discarded sabot. Sabot round, except that its penetrator has fins attached to stabilise itself in flight. Kinda like an arrow.

SLAP: Special Load Armor Piercing?? .50 cal round capable of penetrating lightly armored vehicles.

Usefulnes: All of the above kills vehicles with prejudice. All kinetic based weapon. (Except STAFF) Longer the distance, less penetration.

HEAT rounds, or rounds that use explosively form penetrators, retain their penetration ability over whatever distances. However, they are also slower projectiles compared to the Kinetic munitions.

spartan6 SG

U can actually fire e others types of rds with rifled gun by adding a slipping driving band , also rifled gun gives FSAPDS additional spin assists in clean discard of sabot at muzzle but r longer n heavier then smoothbore

saline SG

Originally posted by Shotgun:

SLAP: Special Load Armor Piercing?? .50 cal round capable of penetrating lightly armored vehicles.

SLAP:Saboted Light Armour Penetrator. Cool

spartan6 SG

Our SLAP armour piercing capability

Penetrate a 25mm thick class 3 homogenous armour steel with BHN 321 to 375 hardness at 1,000 m or 30mm at 183 m at normal incident angle

Shotgun SG

Oh yeah.. hahah I couldn't remember that one off hand.

Yeah, AFPSDS can be shot out of rifled barrels. I think the Challenger 2 series have done something to stop the penetrator from being "rifled."

equlus84 SG

I noe this is not related to this thread......... But this is regarding to armoured vehicles.........

1) Why do our newly designed armoured vehicles do not have added armour "tank skirt" to protect the suspension tracks?

2) I have seen armoured vehicles have baskets and jerry cans hanging arround outside the vehicles. Why do they do that, I mean I am sure the cans and tool boxes do not have protection against even 5.56mm small arms rite?

spartan6 SG

Well if they r filled with compacted sand it can Wink

tankee1981 SG

Response to point 1: I agree with you that it will be good to have the skirts but assuming that we do have these skirts i guess it won't take much time to put those on prior to war.

Response to point 2: The interior of A vehicles is very cramped! SM1 and the Ultra M113 are good examples so if can carry things outside then will put them outside.

There are examples in past wars where crews will attach extra tracks to the exterior of their vehicles for added protectection.

papabear20046 SG

Just nice for narrow roads in the jungle

papabear20046 SG

MB-3 Tamoyo

Warrior 105 LMT

Vickers Mk5

RDF/LT ARES
Light tanks

tankee1981 SG

Originally posted by papabear20046:

[b]MB-3 Tamoyo

Warrior 105 LMT

Vickers Mk5

RDF/LT ARES
Light tanks[/b]

Nice pics! I didn't know that there are still so many types of light tanks in service with the militaries around the world at the moment. Very Happy

moca SG

Originally posted by papabear20046:

MB-3 Tamoyo

Warrior 105 LMT

Vickers Mk5

RDF/LT ARES
Light tanks[/b]

For some reasons I can't see your pics. ANyway, I will post the MB-3 Tamoyo here. I linked this website earlier in the thread about another Brazilian tank the doomed Osorio.

It seems the Brazilians are quite good at building tanks but somehow less successful at marketing them.

papabear20046 SG

105mm main gun LT

papabear20046 SG

105mm main gun LT

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