PT-91 MBT

beavan SG

our armour would suffer under their hands too.

papabear20046 SG

Winning depends on how u look at it. Who killed more,gain more land,gain more pride?,gaining peace be crushing the opposition? Gaining something is traditionally viewed as winning. But to get all that u need BOOTS ON THE GROUND.....U can't hold ground with planes,tanks(maybe for a while).....Infantry is still key in today's battlefield

papabear20046 SG

Don't underestimate or overestimate our enemy . Bomb them into submission? Don't think so but we sure can bomb the s**it out of them...Teach them a lesson they can't forget Laughing But we can't n will not rely on the enemy's incompetence to win the battle....Even when we know they r half-f**k,we must treat them with respect,treat them as if they r a really good fighting force. From there we must think how to defeat them that way. Cos we fight how we train if we train thinking they r half-f**k we will fight half-f**k

gary1910 SG

Laughing

Knowing and showing facts are not estimating them amd become complacent, afterall we are not the planners for SAF development, so far we see SAF as kiasu and kiasi as ever!!!

A lot of this info are available from the nets and let me show something I have been posted elsewhere which actually based on info mainly from MY media:

I really dunno what the fark how RMAF do their planning and maintenace?!?

They have being self destructive all by themselves.

Lets me explain, bought abt 80s ex-USN A4 airframe to be refurnished and updated for use by RMAF, but due to delay, the cost escalated only able to afford to do it for abt 40 of them, and the rest of those airframes never even left US!!!!

After which they encountered some crashes for their A4-M and decided to retire them almost as as soon as they entered svc, max usage : abt 8yrs!!!!

Then they decided to buy 3 types of a/c, 28 Hawks, 18 Mig-29s and 8 Hornets. plus their existing F-5Es , total 4 type of a/c, making their infamous zoo of SEA!!!

Mig-29s has a lot of maintenace problem which result low availability of abt 30%, even with spare problem resolved , the availability hover around 50~60%, they just announced they going to retire them in around 2007, abt 12 years of svc, never see any AF that uses a new a/c that last so short!!!

Then the Hawk is crashing frequently recently, in fact RMAF's Hawks has the world highest rate of crashes per a/c than any country!!!

Lastly the Hornet, Dr M complained they have limited uses, in fact recently , it was reported that they going to upgrade them to fire PGM!!!

As for other co

By the end of decade, only abt 18 SU-30,abt 15 Hawks 200s, 8 Hornets and perhaps some(less than 10) upgrade F-5s i.e. slightly less 50 fighters, pathetic especially with so much money spent!!!!

All due to poor planning and maintenace, and the root cause is lousy leadership, even RMAF has the same amount of money as RSAF, it will never be as srong as RSAF!!!!

So is it posting stuff that their own media reported as disrespectful!!!!
Laughing

First thing respect has to be earned!!!!

Their own citizens have been complaining abt how their own corrupted leaders with all their cronies have been siphoning govt funds thru govt contracts especially defence contracts, delay and pump in more money for bailout due to non performing crony companies, extremely high cost weapons due to kickbacks, maintenance contract was not honour etc etc

Cases of such incident are plenty, and mostly reported by MY media, and I am not fabricating them , in fact, when I posted the above, not a single Malayisan disputed it becos they know it is the true!!!!

papabear20046 SG

Respect yr enemy not for yr enemy. We know all about the corruption i think its another problem all together. If we can buy them off in times of war(make them auto give up) then it will really become a point we would be serious about. B4 that happens ,think how to defeat them as well as in wat ways can they defeat us.........

Shotgun SG

I've always suspected that the RMAF Mig-29s were not brand new as claimed.

What they really initially recieved were Fulcrum As. Ever seen what a Fulcrum A cockpit looks like? They had to upgrade their Fulcrums over the years in order to bring it up to modern standards. Which makes their actual "combat-ready" usage, less than 12 years.

seancannot SG

If we can carry out a preemptive strike ...I have not doubt SAF can easily march into KL .... not because we are superior or what ...given Msia is quite difficult to defend ... cos we just need to focus all our attack at one point... however Sg will also face a barrack of Msia rocket like in lebanon...our troop there will also be subjected to counter attack.... and in projected war we may not have the resources to outlast them... so in the end we will still lose .... we may capture KL but that does not mean victory for us

LazerLordz SG

The SAF is not built to be an occupation force.

We are more of a joint operations corps.Strike fast, hard, air dominance, but not for land occupation.

Think of the SAF as a Marine Corps style force. Tri-service.Able to deploy under 48 hours, expeditionary in nature but unable to hold foreign land beyond a certain limit of time.

moca SG

Not sure what you're geting at, all due respects.

Perhaps we can look at the wars Israel fought with her heighbours. In all the wars, Israeli did not seriously threatened her enemies' capitals beyond hitting military targets like airbases etc. But the IDF never made any real effort to march into Cairo, Damascus etc not because it couldn't. Perhaps they were leaving room for possible peace in future. Similarly, I do not see RSAF pushing back any body's "decades of nation building" like the US did to Hanoi.

IMHO RSAF will keep to military targets as opposed to your prediction of levelling civilisation. So that's why it will still be a ground fight. And in a ground fight in the jungle, airpower is an advantage but will not win the war.

Sure, that's what SAF is hoping. And I hope SAF is right, too. But in a ground fight, in the end, it is the man, his weapon, and his will. "techy" but soft troops can easily lose the fight like in Vietnam and Somalia.

Of course, where our opinions differ is that you feel that the average SAF conscript is a tough a jungle fighter as the average MAF trooper. I seriously do not think so.

Finally, I am not saying SAF is gonna lose the fight against MAF. I am quite confident we will win, but I have heard many remarks in the past that many SG ppl seem to think that war with MY will be a walk in the park.

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