Lesson for Israel

last SG · 2006-07-30T21:41:16+00:00

The IDF failed this time round because they were conceited , they have refused bunker busting bomb from US thinking their own technology are superior , they...

seancannot SG

Look at the battle and the asset losses from IDF side include

F16 , apache , stealth warship

These asset are in SAF aresenal ...

Hence we should be less complacent we may have the best weapons but even when we take on a weaker enemy there is no guanrantee of victory

maggot SG

They should use nuclear weapons Twisted Evil

tiggersgd SG

in war, there's always loses.

beavan SG

yes but u have to minimise them

Shotgun SG

I think the Israeli losses also tells us one more thing. The Hezbollah are not as under equipped as we were led to believe initially. They've got their hands on anti-ship missiles, and hi tech atgms as well as surface to air weapons.

They are not a state army, yet they have such capabilities... its rather worrying don't you think?

gary1910 SG

Nah , no F-16 was lost.

A corvette was struck and damaged.

Two Apaches collided, and one shot down but by who?

moca SG

I completely agree that we mustn't feel smug about our arsenal of modern weaponry. Ultimately, who wins or who loses depend on way too many other factors.

Paladin SG

There are definitely some goods lessons for the SAF to learn in the ongoing Lebanon crisis as well..

The SAF should study on why the Israel, despite with their multi million dollars war machines, failed to destroy the Hezbollah after all the efforts.
Where did they go wrong?

We should also learn from the Hezbollah... their strategies in fighting the Israel...

IMHO.. the Israel is too arrogant and they have seriously underestimate the Hezbollah.. I think they will have to pay a high price for the mistake.

High tech and expensive machines just don't guarantee victory...

dotaro SG

Hezbollah hide in behind civilians.
How to fight them?!

Do not underestimate Israel.
If not for the despicable militant group using civilians as shields, They would have already been wiped out!

Evil or Very Mad

tripwire SG

i once wrote a short story in this forum, regarding the possibility of MAF using malaysian chinese as meat shields and causeway human wall to stop SAF from retaliating or crossing the causeway with heavy MBTs.

until now.. i have yet to find an acceptable solution short of a preemptive strike, that took out MAF while they are still in their camps.

while the current defence doctrine of able to absorb the first attack seems nice and as a sign of confidence and maturity of the SAF...

but if the price in terms of casualty and infrastructure lost is gonna much higher then a pre-emptive strike doctrine... i would rather we opt for the later then the former...

ultimately... winning is everything... not how we win it...

dotaro SG

True, Ultimately, winning is the most important thing.
Forget about humanity issues.
Only losers in war get to face crimes against humanity.
Victory a must at all cost!

dragg SG

israel is mobilising 3 more divisions. are they going to widen the war front?

tankee1981 SG

Personally i think an all out invasion of Lebanon again is not going to solve the problem of Hizbollah. Wining a war is more than just killing the enemy, there is also the psychological aspect to it.

gary1910 SG

I said this in another forum and I will say it here:

Political correctness in warfare = weakness to be exploited by your enemy!!!!

Political correctness in warfare also means higher casualties to yourself!!!

I remember the recent Mindef video abt 3 SIR Urban demonstration where the Commander of 9 Div said that we should not harm civilians?!?

But in reality, our enemy could be using their own citizens as human shield and that is something we could not do anything abt it, & it should not stop us in achieving our objective.

Shotgun SG

The soufa wasn't exactly shot down. It crashed shortly after take off. The pilots were able to steer the aircraft so that it crashed safely. They ejected safely as well.

beavan SG

Originally posted by gary1910:
I said this in another forum and I will say it here:

[b]Political correctness in warfare = weakness to be exploited by your enemy!!!!

Political correctness in warfare also means higher casualties to yourself!!!

I remember the recent Mindef video abt 3 SIR Urban demonstration where the Commander of 9 Div said that we should not harm civilians?!?

But in reality, our enemy could be using their own citizens as human shield and that is something we could not do anything abt it, & it should not stop us in achieving our objective.

[/b]

i believe that the mission is always first.

tripwire SG

dont worry lah... the commander needs to be politically correct... especially infront of TV mah...

otherwise.. people would think he is stupid.

come war and fire... well... i doubt anyone can guarantee whats gonna happen in the field....

remember SAF rule number 7? Twisted Evil

tripwire SG

we should not engage in unneccessary killing... that would be wasteful... but if the choice comes down to between my life and my enemy civilian's life...

i believe... i know which one i have to choose... Mr. Green

BadzMaro SG

in the end of the day.. persistent geurilla tactics n homegrown has advantage. I agree that they should start to use thier nukes liaw.. n when the start nuking… nuke the entire middle east . Problem solved. Lesser evil for the greater good.

tripwire SG

alternatively... you could sent all their civilians packing and push them out of the occupied zone, then create a new border complete with minefields and concrete wall.