Malaysia Home-grown armoured vehicle

last SG · 2006-04-25T12:37:38+00:00

Yea i guess you're right. And they might have inclucded the cost for tooling and manufacturing processes.

equlus84 SG

Hmmm….. did ani one notice the seat capacity of the vehicle is like very low. onli 4 spaces. I was thinking on the line that maybe Malaysia accquire those vehicles in respond to Singapore’s producing more artillery types and things like the primus. Thus perhaps the peace keeping thing is like a smoke screen, instead the real reason is that they want to give their troops more protection.

fudgester SG

Don't think so. The armour of this vehicle doesn't look very thick. And upon closer inspection of the pics I think those aren't firing ports at all - they're more like glass windows.

My thinking is that these vehicles are made for recon purposes. Lots of glass windows for visual recon, and you can see the amount of hardware inside - possibly for heat-sensing, radar-scanning and nightvision equipment.

Besides, as you pointed out, it can't seat a lot of people. So I guess it's enough for a recon team but not for a full section of men.

|-|05| SG

that looks like the forward compartment.Maybe for the commander and some specs. So assuming 4 in the forward compartment *driver included* and assuming there is space for 6 more u can seat almost a whole section in there. Doesnt look to bad a vehicle. Should be a troop transport vehicle the likes of the hummer or the jeep or land rovers.

Nice pics Mv, at least now we know they can fit a 50 cal on the top.

Lakiun SG

juz 2 cents of my opinion...instead of having sum1 to man the 50 cal. whilebeing exposed directly to enemy fire. There is a system developed n now being tested n implemented by US know as CROWS where the operator can fire the weapon from down below without exposing himself....In my humble opinion, it would b quite excellent if we acn implement dis CROWS system from US into our existing IFV, MBT's or armoured Troop carrying vehicles as dis saves lives

Fatum SG

errrrr ....... we already have the OWS mah ... Confused

touchstone_2000 SG

Excellent pics. Looks more like a Land Rover replacement than a APC.

Something SAF is deeply lacking. With some chickenwire, looks safe enough to drive through Halliwal Market.

bcoy SG

Its a wheeled light armoured vehicle. Simple in design, using commercially available automotive components (should not have cost so much in development).
It provides a protective transport alternative to seating in soft skin vehicles like 3 tonners. Possible roles are basic APC for infantry, internal security and weapons platforms. Seats 4 on each side (total 8 troops), plus a driver in the front. Armoured against 7.62mm rounds and artillery fragments.

bcoy SG

From - http://www.bernama.com/

April 26, 2006 15:28 PM

Thirteen MOUs, Agreements Signed At DSA 2006 Today

PETALING JAYA, April 26 (Bernama) -- A total of thirteen defence memorandums of understanding (MOUs) and agreements were sealed between local companies and their foreign counterparts at the Defence Services Asia 2006 exhibition and conference here Wednesday.

Among the biggest MOUs and agreements signed involved Airod Sdn Bhd (Airod) and DRB-HICOM Bhd's wholly-owned subsidiary, Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (DefTech).

DefTech, the main supplier of defence vehicles to the Malaysian Armed Forces, signed strategic collaborations with five foreign partners for the supply of field vehicles, weapon systems, spare parts and technology transfer to the local defence industry.

The first agreement was signed with MOWAG GmbH of Switzerland for the supply of its "Piranha" family of armoured-wheeled vehicles (AWVs), to appoint DefTech its local industrial partner for promotional and marketing activities, locally integrate and ultimately produce the AWVs, transfer of technology and after-sales support in Malaysia.

The second agreement, with Ruag Land Systems of Swizerland, is for the marketing, promotion and local assembly of the Ruag Land's 120mm mortar systems.

The company also signed an agreement with Thales Communications of France to collaborate on promotion and integration of Thales vehicle communication and electronic systems for DefTech's products.

Another agreement with FN-Herstal of Belgium is to collaborate on promotion and integration of FN-Herstal weapon systems with DefTech's products.

The last agreement was with FNSS Defence Systems of Turkey for the supply of spare parts and technical services for the Adnan ACV300 armoured infantry fighting vehicles that are in service with the Malaysian Army.

Airod signed two agreements - technical services and basic ordering - with Pilatus Switzerland for support of the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF) PC-7 MK I and MK II aircraft.

The agreements were sealed following the signing of letter of intent between the Malaysian Government and Pilatus last December to purchase nine additional PC-7 MK II to meet RMAF's requirement for training aircraft.

Airod has been providing comprehensive maintenance, repair and overhaul services to RMAF's fleet of PC-7 MK I aircraft since 1997 and PC-7 MK II since 2001.

The signing of the agreements with Pilatus strengthens Airod's reputation as the preferred choice for aircraft maintenance in the country.

Other agreements include:

CASS Technology Sdn Bhd and United Arab Emirates-based TagStone to explore opportunities in integrated radio frequency identification technology solution for the intelligent weapon control system in UAE; and,

The collaboration between Satang Jaya Sdn Bhd and South Africa-based Denel (Pty) Ltd's optronics division to establish a maintenance and repair facility to handle warranty and after-sales services for defence observation and surveillance systems.

Deputy Defence Minister Datuk Zainal Abidin Zin and ministry's Secretary-General Tan Sri Subhan Jasmon witnessed the signing ceremony.

-- BERNAMA

mhcampboy SG

the vehicle looks quite nice though. well….strong or not… tat questions remain till we see the fire power. but over all…it it does look good.

BadzMaro SG

It is certainly a light armoured vehicle for mainly recon n troop transport.

tiggersgd SG

not too bad but unless the armor is strong all round, its going to be an easy target bcos its big.

easy kill indeed (for now)

Blockhead SG

This is interesting. Possibility of Strykers for MAF in the future?

LazerLordz SG

Well, let them put their money where their mouth is and contribute to the rebuilding of Iraq. It's hypocritical when most the Arab and Islamic states talk a lot and do not contribute a single soldier to the rebuilding effort in Afghanistan and Iraq..

Arthas79 SG

This is interesting. Possibility of Strykers for MAF in the future?

Wait till it really comes out which might not be the case at all or 1-2 decades later...They usually sign a slew of such `agreements'(as far as agreements go in Malaysia) during such events all the time. What comes out of it is anybody`s guess though. Meanwhile, the media is very eager to latch on to almost anything...even a whimper.

touchstone_2000 SG

Is it just me?

Compared to others, this thread seems to have a lot newbies.

storywolf SG

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/mp1-casspir.htm

Check out the link above. They did a copy of the casspir, which does have a very good record for proving armour, against mines, and easy to maintenance in the field in south africa. Make a very impress name there.

Although it is a damn good vehicle, but if use in South East Asia, then it have its weakness. Because it provide very good protect in armour and against mines, the weight is very heavy. In africa, most of the grounds are open area and dry. But in south east asia , with just 4 wheels , it will get struck in mud most of the time, once it try any off-road.

equlus84 SG

If I’m not wrong, Indonesia is also using the CASSPIR, thus maybe the weight issue is not as jialat as you think. If not why the TNI are using them?

Incedrius SG

To be fair, opposition to the Iraqi invasion was unanimous across the Muslim world. Of course, the argument that 'its already happened, so the best you can do is support the re-building to improve the lives of your fellow Muslims' is frequently used against them.

But seriously, why would you choose to support something now, when you were against it from the very beginning? Any support now would be considered not so much in terms of helping ordinary Iraqis, but more in terms of helping the US.

If you look at the history of 'the Islamic states' (and I use the term loosely) there has always been more rhetoric and little real unity. It's just unfortunate for the poor Iraqis, but the sentiment remains that the US created the mess, and it should clean it up.

And fyi... states like Jordan are contributing to the rebuilding. Lots of Iraqi police are trained in Jordan now.

tripwire SG

weight is never a problem... neither is ground pressure... as long as you operate the vehicle within the predetermined limitation.

it only becomes a problem when you need it to operate beyond the confines of its limitations.

the same goes for everything...

in short.. you can have a two wheel APC, as long as it never leaves the road... but you would not move your two wheeler 20 ton APC off road even if situation demands it.

gary1910 SG

Looking at the size of the vehicle, I think it should weight abt 6~10tons, my guess is around 8tons( combat weight).

For troops transport on paved road it is ok.

For recon, I dun think so becos I believe it will have trouble in negotiating in muddy and swampy terrain, becos of it's high ground pressure.

For those who dunno, ground pressre is function of the total weight of the vehicle divide by the contact area of the vehicle to the ground.

Anyway, I dun think MAF really need this vehicle if rumours said that they are going to retire the 4x4 Condors becos with proper upgrade , the Condors could do the same job as this vehicle AV-4, whatever it is designed to be.

But you know MY, they most probably induct a lot of AV-4 into MAF just to show off and purposely retire the Condors eventhough it is not necessarily.

A proper ungrades of the Condors will still be cheaper than spending billions of RM on AV-4.

In fact for such vehicle , I think it should be around USD1mils per unit off the shelf, so MY could easily get a few hundreds of such vehicle off the shelf with the fews billions RM on R&D cost of AV-4!!!

Anyway, we will see!!! Laughing

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