Christian Asking you go to church again....!!!

last SG · 2006-12-12T12:46:03+00:00

Seriously, it really doesn't matter which religion you choose to believe in... No matter what people around you say or even your family say, I believe in one...

Oriakan SG

You're really out to offend people aren't you?

If by offend you mean, "I'm not respecting the beliefs of others", you are absolutely right. Why is religion or any other superstitious beliefs free from the public domain of rational criticism?

Even more so when those beliefs are dangerous and harmful to the individual and society?

SumOne SG

I can't believe you're asking such a question. It's so dumb I won't even bother explaining. It's not your not believing in religion that's disturbing. It's your choice of words. Apparently you have some very deep hate against religion. I wonder why. Personal experiences maybe?

In any case, you have the right not to believe. And I personally don't anything wrong as a person to not believe. But to intentionally use words to offend people, and be so disrespectful, then it's a different thing.

Do not kid yourself, your choice of words is hardly "rational criticism", but just direct flaming.

Stop acting so noble and pretending as if you're doing a good deed for others when you're just blindly shooting your mouth off.

aloof_guy SG

that same church said that god is a god of wealth and not of humbleness. that church is just wrong.

aloof_guy SG

Buddishts believe that you will reincarnate until you archieve enlightment. (which is to see that EVERYTHING around you is an illusion). read it somewhere. pls clarify.

Oriakan SG

You won't bother explaining because you can't. Laughing . My choice of words you say?

You're right. I do hate religion along with all other superstitious beliefs in the same manner that I loathe smoking,drugs,excessive drinking.

In any case, you have the right not to believe. And I personally don't anything wrong as a person to not believe. But to intentionally use words to offend people, and be so disrespectful, then it's a different thing.

Every time someone points the so many flaws in religions, the old "respect the beliefs of others " speech comes out. Stupid and dangerous beliefs are NOT meant to be respected. All beliefs should be up to scrutiny.

If, I were now to go around persuading people that murdering people is a good thing, would you respect that belief? Laughing

Do not kid yourself, your choice of words is hardly "rational criticism", but just direct flaming.

Stop acting so noble and pretending as if you're doing a good deed for others when you're just blindly shooting your mouth off.

Just because I do not flower coat and run around bushes to get to truth's points,you say my choice of words is "hardly rational criticism".

At least when I state the truth, its better than you theist who runs around confounding people with you're lies about how some man on a stick loves them,how if they pray to imaginary friends who love them,they will get what they want etc

banzie SG

So errmm... All the chinese temple people don't pray for money? Cai Shen is for praying for vege issit?

laoda99 SG

Banzie is right.

You can go church without paying a single cent and receive much back.

We should not forget the good things christian organisations do.

aloof_guy SG

Are you an Atheist? If so, let me tell you why i think there is a God.

Without a supreme ruler, there isn't any rules to follow. Hence, we are unable to differentiate between good and bad rules. Murdering a person might be good as he can prevent him from doing another bad thing! This can be conceived as a good rule. Another example would be Hitler whose an Atheist believing in the Arian race. He massacred millions of jews thinking it was ok as it was for the good of his race!

However, God sets the supreme rule which overrides all others. Hence differentiating between Good and Bad.

laoda99 SG

Please clarify with pple at Buddhism Bliss.

I dun think they would say everything around you is an illusion.

SumOne SG

I agree with you, the idealogy of that church is very wrong.

SumOne SG

Erm...... Did you quote correctly? Or were you replying to the post I quoted?

aloof_guy SG

Goal:

Enlightment - Nirvana - The realisation that al of reality is an illusion at which point the soul dissolves.

buses_galore SG

hey banzie are you a muslim?

laoda99 SG

U wanna check with An Eternal Now at Buddhism Bliss?

aloof_guy SG

hurr what do you mean?

laoda99 SG

Check with the guys at Buddhism forum.

I dun think they will agree with what u have said.

SumOne SG

I won't because it's straightforward. Don't think so highly of yourself.

It's not about sugar coating anything or deceiving anybody of anything. It's just how you seem to want to purposely offend rather than any good you claim to be doing. No one's asking you to lie or anything, but you're at the opposite extreme. You can get your point across without being so offending. Logic or no logic, your choice of words leaves much to be desired.

And I think you're generalising a lot here, to brandish all religious practices as wrong to say that all theists are lying to you. At what point has any one lied to you? You're getting carried away by your blind hate. If you ask me, people like you are dangerous.

SumOne SG

Oriakan,

stop claiming to be the good guy when all you're exhiting is just blind hate. And generalising all religions and all people who have religions. Making sweeping statements and all.

I have atheist friends, and I know their view on religion. You however, are just plain anti-religion.

ah_kwang SG

Originally posted by aloof_guy:

Goal:

Enlightment - Nirvana - The realisation that al of reality is an illusion at which point the soul dissolves.[/b]

guess you dun really understand this profound statement. enlightenment, in short, is the realisation of the fact that material and superficial stuff does not bring you true happiness. A stage where you realise eternal happiness can be found within yourself. (pls correct me if i'm wrong)

anyway, buddhism is a very profound religion indeed, or rather i would say it is something beyond religion. (if the definitely of religion is the worship of a supreme entity and carry out rituals and rites, then buddhism is not a religion as it encourages intelligent doubting and believes the potential supremacy of the individual. Rites and rituals do not give ppl wisdom and happiness thus buddhism is a religion out of convention.)

Sorry i'm not anti any other religion btw, just trying to clear some doubts here about buddhism. And as a practicing buddhist, i will accept any teachings from other religions if it brings me happiness. As quoted from the website http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm:

Are Other Religions Wrong?

Buddhism is also a belief system which is tolerant of all other beliefs or religions. Buddhism agrees with the moral teachings of other religions but Buddhism goes further by providing a long term purpose within our existence, through wisdom and true understanding. Real Buddhism is very tolerant and not concerned with labels like 'Christian', 'Moslem', 'Hindu' or 'Buddhist'; that is why there have never been any wars fought in the name of Buddhism. That is why Buddhists do not preach and try to convert, only explain if an explanation is sought.

So to me there is nothing wrong to visit churches, mosque, hindu temples and so on as long as i can gain wisdom from their teachings and i will accept only what i feel is correct and will lead me towards happiness (true happiness rather than material happiness which last only for a few moments before we start craving again) Laughing

laoda99 SG

I think what aloof_guy said is nihilsm, not buddhism.

Last time the buddhism mod An Eternal Now explained to me the difference.

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