Mighty Japan DF

last SG · 2005-11-03T12:59:30+00:00

That's great - we have moved on. How about the Japs? Have they moved on? If Japan has moved on, how come Joizumi visits the shrine to pay respects to dead...

laurence82 SG

I believe more in murphy law

whatever can fail, will fail

What if someone can carry out an invasion better than a naval blockage?

38 SG

Except US, no one can complete the invasion

However, if Taiwan returns to China, and PLA moves their missiles, airbase navy bases etc to the island, PLA can easily do a neat naval blokage job

Gun SG

Originally posted by laurence82:
So how does these, if i may see from sgdiehard post, lead him to think Japan's geography would not hamper her force mobility?

Actually, sgdiehard did concure that Japan's geographical layout does not provide a good operational hinderland from the military perspective.

However, he also pointed out that other attributes that can nullify this "geographical" limitation.

Before any country display her intention to invade or control another, the offensive party will probe the most effecive means to project political influence within the intended target, be it using ca$h or pappet political entities.
This is to create beach heads in the most favourable condition to exert control.

Classics cases like 1930's Manchuria , Korea and Taiwan prior to WWII.
War is only declared after Pearl Harbor attack eventhough Japanese has already occupied much of China's coastal cities since invasion began in 1937.

IMO, when a country is out to seek mineral resource and territorial domination, it will be a long drawn out strategic manuvers that may last for decades before the on set of an all out war.

OR You can either buy or lie your way into another countries' corrupt regimes or simply trigger internal unrest or make lousy excuses to start quick war and a decisive victory.

Most modern military invasions, in fact, were started using lousy pretext like the Marco Polo Bridge incident, Nazi German's famous fake "dead Polish soldier" or US's alleged Iraq's WMD. All these are self-staged pretext by the invaders for their ultimate intentions.

So the big question is will Japan become aggressor again ?
We will never know until the day comes.

Like sgdiehard had mentioned earlier =>
"Japan's ability to build its armed forces is limited by the constitutions, not by its technological or financial capabilities."

If Japan can recover within a decade after her WW defeat without oil resouces and under foreign control, what makes u think her military will be "humped" by that same geological limitation ?

So you wanna wait or wish Japan is still "humped" ?

laurence82 SG

Does China at the moment have this capability to impose a naval blockage?

tvdog SG

Japan is a chain of islands. Not easy to blockade.

Furthermore, a blockade to be effective needs months. The US Pacific fleet can reach Japan in a matter of... days? And the US pacific fleet with its carriers is probably more powerful than the whole PLAN.

84mmrr SG

I think Korea and China shld not have to fear Japan as they have strong military. But I don't think ASEAN is able to defend itself against Japan. This is true once Japan equips it's DDH aka mini aircarft carriers with F35. Once they have such projection force, anything goes.

boy in blues SG

between

1. blockading 1st before attacking
and
2. attacking without blockading,

which is more strategic?

84mmrr SG

One more thing, I don't trust Japan not juz simply becoz they whitewashed their history. But look at their so called "helicopter destroyer":

Japan always have the ambition to possess an aircraft carrier but is limited by it's constitution. Now, they have bypassed their constitution to build two and blatently called it "helicopter destroyer". What other lies are they going to tell?

Why do Japan need an aircraft carrier? The OZ had given up their a/c and even China does not have one.

boy in blues SG

this one they're planning to use for korean annexation some time next July

Gun SG

Originally posted by 84mmrr:
I think Korea and China shld not have to fear Japan as they have strong military. But I don't think ASEAN is able to defend itself against Japan. This is true once Japan equips it's DDH aka mini aircarft carriers with F35. Once they have such projection force, anything goes.

I think we should be more concern about global terrorism for the years to come. This is the clear and present danger.

We will never know when a 747 slams into CBD district or bombs going off on SBS buses or MRT during peak hrs.

We can only prepare for the worst.

Fatum SG

A new bully is emerging in the neighbourhood ...... and people are still bitching about the old one that left more than 60 years before ? .... tsk tsk tsk .... Confused

all this concern about Japan's remilitarization is misplaced, I think .....
there's another juggernaut coming up in the same neighbourhood .... and that one is the one we all should be watching ....

dragg SG

the reason why they are doing it is because china is 'threatening them'. japan can do anything but without nuclear they will achieve nothing.

now china is aggressively expanding its military. the one that is really threatening is china. if their purpose is just to balance US then it is ok. but i seriously doubt so. they are trying to threaten taiwan.

and please stop being so paranoid about japan with so many countries have nuclear there is no chance of japan starting another war.

SpecOps87 SG

The day the Japs invade us again...is the day when their leadership has gone nuts!Ha,they depend so much on trade with all parts of the world that the moment people start rejecting them...thats it...suck thumb.

And you guys may question,why does Japan require an aircraft carrier...what about here in ASEAN?Why is it that the Thais require an aircraft carrier which they can hardly afford?

lionnoisy SG

T74 MBT question

What is the big box with a glass in front ,beside the gun in the 1 st and third photo?

SpecOps87 SG

I suppose its a search light?

38 SG

Note my pre-condition is Taiwan under Chinas control, for the time being, Taiwan is not in the camp of china, so any naval blockage has to deal with ROC Navy 1st. Thats a different story which Im not intend to go further

sgdiehard SG

this discussion went a long way during my absence. Just let me clarify why I believe Japan has not worried about deployability.

First of all, deployability in Japan itself is a war of defence of japan. History tells us that Japan never did have to defend the japan islands. The first ever attempt by a foreign forces to land in japan was the Mongolian in 1281. They never reached japan proper because of kamikaze. In WW2 the allied forces were spared the tasks of attacking japan thanks to the two atomic bombs.

Secondly, the seas that surrounded the Japanese islands are the natural barriers for any possible assaults on japan proper. The only land facing japan is Pusan in korea but the korea strait is a good 300km away. Japan completely wiped out the whole Russian navy in the battle of Tsushima, at the korea strait in 1901. China is a sea away from Japan, even to the ryuku island! The closest foreign island to japan is Sakhalin island of Russia, north of Hokkaido. If there is problem deploying troops on japan island, Sakhalin island is a nightmare.

Thirdly, who are the Japanese perceived invaders? (enemies who intend to occupy!), and who has the capabilities? China is far far away and has no capabilities, Korea is unlikely, Russia? A different story to me, need to study more.

In modern days, major threats to japan come from nuclear attack, directly from missiles or aircrafts, or indirectly through terrorism, and naval blockade. If they fail in these two fronts, where they deploy their ground troops is of no significance.

tvdog SG

Before WW2 started, Japan had just won a war with Russia which the Japan Imperial Navy sank nearly the entire Russian Navy.

Not since the Mongolians had an Asian power defeat a Western Power. So Japan was feeling on top of the world, being the first Asian power.

After WW2, the world reverted back to Asia having no dominant power. Basically it's back to the old days with the European in charge.

China then became the next Asian military power.

Now China is a econmic powerhouse also.

China is now finding that it can also achieve a lot through a combination of economic and military muscle.

Its aggressive army of businessmen are already on the rampage buying up European, Canadian and American businesses including oil companies. It is also "colonising" the Indochinese countries by buying up their mineral mines, building factories. They are building factories in Vietnam - a former enemy - Cambodia, Burma etc.

The massive PLA stands as a force to kinda make sure things go smoothly. And it is also common for businessmen to cultivate relationships with PLA and government officials.

China is now apeshxt about the coming Olympics in 2008, being new kid in the WTO and the World Expo in 2010. So China will be very nice and do nothing to jeopardise its image.

For now it will tolerate all the nonsense of Chen Sui Bian and Koizumi. It will also not show too much force in the Spratlys. But make no mistake that China carries a very big stick and has shown its readiness to use it in the past.

dragg SG

and when china become really very strong nobody knows for sure what they will do.

sgdiehard SG

could you elaborate on how china is "threatening" japan?
Why should singapore or any countries should feel the threat from china, other than taiwan, which is a domestic issue to china and many taiwanese?"
Germany went to war again against its neighbors and we see rising militarism in japan, what make you think "there is no chance of japan starting another war"?

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