Look at what china pple sae abt our new 155mm gun!!

last SG · 2005-11-07T21:53:30+00:00

Let them say whatever they want….At the end of the day our NSF pay will be higher than them…....We convert to their money we earn quite a lum sum…..

SMAPLionHeart SG

If USA exercises it's full military might with 12 active carrier battle groups and all it's aircraft.

Even Europe has a problem matching up with it even if everyone combines up and challenge them.

Shotgun SG

Actually, their first priority is to secure the series of isles approx 40miles west of taiwan. It has an airstrip as well as harbor, and can be used as a jump off point. Being just 40 miles away, they can also can fire their long range rockets from that location.

SMAPLionHeart SG

The problem is , Taiwan has stationed a radar station there and forces(according to military news) there , to alert the forces in ROC in case anything happens

SMAPLionHeart SG

You have 3 million troops.

more then how many times more then the number of taiwan military.
but if you just happened to have 1 naughty troop who alerts taiwan ..

Furthermore , it is not easy to mask the movement of 3 million troops with today's satellite hovering at 400km away from earth

SMAPLionHeart SG

The taiwan issue will remain a deadlock for many years to come.

Taiwan is not Kuwait.

38 SG

But also don't forget there'r 1000 PLA short ot medium range SSMs plus unknown number of cruise missiles aimed at Taiwan's all main military facilities. Anything happens, the missiles will be 1st launched . so hows the survivability of those Radar stations are doubtful

|-|05| SG

They arent going to deploy 3million troops. Some one has to watch the borders.

Shotgun SG

Taking of those islands will definitely be done by Special ops supported by following airborne forces.

Amphibious landings on those islands is not really feasible until the island has been somewhat secured. Too slow, too tedious.

In anycase, if they want to invade taiwan, those islands must be captured first.

SMAPLionHeart SG

I believe they will need as much manpower as they can get.
Maybe drafting up to 5 million is a possibility.

Judging from previous wars fought with neighbours , seems like they can afford thousands of casualties . Nevermind the bloodshed

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Human wave tactics dun exactly work that well against an island.

donchoo SG

I think they are going to bypass those outlying lslands and head directly for taiwan mainland. Maybe before d day they just bomb those small islands flat or something. Those islands are there to slow the invasion force down and give the mainland time to mobilise and put their war plans into action. If i were a general, i would assault and sercure a port so more men and equiptment could be massed to make the push inland. Definately there would be para drops all over taiwan to secure key areas and to divert/distract the tw forces from making a counterattack.

But... up north on a hilly mountain lsland called okinawa, got a bunch of US ppl waiting for this day for a long time.

sgdiehard SG

yr last para is damn right man. If I were the PRC general, I would just launch a few missiles with no warheads heading for taipei and kaoshiung, declare the sea around Kaoshiung war zone and create a special zones to welcome taiwanese in the Guangdong province giving them special privileges to settle. then sit back and watch what ah bian and the US would do.

there is no need to really shed blood.

centrum8 SG

wha,, this is the soberest post.. Cool Cool claps...

by and large, singaporean's quality and behaviour are better than most of chinese, but remember that singapore is a city country while china is such a biggest country,, top 3 both in population and territory. they are many talents and intelligent ppl there while of course there are some not so civilsed farmers.

for those who are ignorant and bigot, still believe that singapore is superior over china in any aspects, it's time to wake up...
Mr. Green

Shotgun SG

Can China really crush a puny lil Singapore? Lets not forget that if a war with some major power like China breaks out, the FPDA will be activated. The original intent of the FPDA was really to prevent any possible communist invasion to capture South East Asia.

South East Asia, was known to the Japs as "Souther Resource Area" (correct me if I got the term wrong.) back in WW2. They felt they could obtain the resources here to fuel their war in China. If Singapore comes under attack, and should we fall, then Malaysia, Indon, and the rest of South East Asia would be next to go.

"Syonan-To" was the Japanese key to unlocking South East Asia's rich resources. And it still remains.

Can Singapore hold off a large PLA invasion force on its own? No. Can the FPDA hold off such a force? Definitely... it will hurt like a bitch. And the anchoring point of such a FPDA defence, providing much of the command, control, communications and intelligence, is Singapore. Members of the FPDA know that if such a threat occurs, the SAF would be the Queen of the chessboard.

tvdog SG

It's hard to imagine why China would even consider invading little Singapore - of all places?

What would the likely scenario be that would lead China to do such a thing?

Shotgun SG

Why did japan run all the way down to south east asia back in WW2? Japan was engaged in China, why then come down to South East Asia when they should be focusing their efforts and best troops in China? Why did they divert some of their veteran troops from china to attack South East Asia?

Why should we even consider China a threat in the first place? Okay, I'm not suggesting that they bear hostile intentions towards anyone. I'm sure their current government is peace loving.

But examine modern world history. World War 2 began with Hitler, becoming the dictator. Japan, an Emperor, Italy, another facist dictator. In the Soviet Union, a dictator called Stalin. Iraq had Saddam. All these threat nation had one thing in common. Power consolidated under ONE man.

China is still a communist country. And it is also one of the fastest growing country. Both in terms of military and economically. As the economy grows, the need to safeguard it grows, in turn, defence spending, and military. Because it is still a communist country, all its power can still be consolidated under one person, any person. A coup might see a rapid change in power. Those of you have been to china will see that their propaganda power is SUPERB. It is easy for them to unite its citizens and rally them towards a cause. What if the next PRC president doesnt want to play nice?

This is why US is wary of China's growth. They didn't expect China to grow like that. And a powerful communist china, to them, is a bomb waiting to explode.

Don't be surprised if u suddenly see the non-democratic nations in the Middle East suddenly start being forced into a "regime-change." If I were the US, I would take action against these smaller armed forces now, secure the middle east and build up to face a potentially tough adversary in the form of China.

sgdiehard SG

60 yrs ago, with the French and the brits engaged in Europe, the japs believed they could just walk down and take over the resources in S E Asia if they could destroy the Americans in the pacific, and they did just that after pearl harbor. Today, I believe China is fully aware that military takeover of any of the countries in S E Asia will not be a walkover. Their war with Vietnam, the present standoff with Taiwan and the American current experience in Iraqi should continue to be good lessons.

Chinese communist party is different from the north Korean communist party and the previous communist party of the soviet union which had extra legal authorities in the state enabling a single person to control the state. Ccp derives its power from its position in the state. The central military committee and the politburo standing committee are The power of ccp and it is not held by one person. Neither Mao nor Deng had The power, they could only exercise great influence but could not be a dictator, even when they held the positions of party chairman and chairman of the central military committee which essentially control the armed forces.

Of course a coup can change everything, but believe me a coup within a communist party is more difficult than in a democratic county. That is why communists are so frightening.

But the changes of leaderships within ccp over the last 25 yrs, fr Zhou, to Jiang to Hu, fr Ju Rongji to Wen Jia Bao showed the passing or sharing of power within the party. I am not worried about any Chinese dictator, I am more worried about the communist party taking a hardline.

Militarily it will be years before china can project its forces across the region, even if EU ends its weapon embargo, any military build up responding to china would only benefit the US weapon suppliers.

The real threat from China comes from Chinese nationalism. The rise of China certainly appeals to the millions of overseas chinese living in south east asian countries, who share the same history, culture and language, treated as second class citizens at home. How can we continue to maintain our way of life, currently flooded with everything cheap from china and bombarded with values from hollywood. What values do we hold as Singaporean, against foreign influence? How can we continue to be proud being a citizen of singapore, which many ppl think equals PAP? I am a firm believer that migrating does not solve the problem.

Shotgun SG

hmm, i can agree with what you have posted. However, the position of chairman is really immensely powerful. With Mao and Deng as examples. They were extremely popular. Up til today, Mao and Deng are still regarded as heroes.

My point remains that the US is wary of any country that can allow enormous powers to be put under 1 or few people. Like china.

Fatum SG

A Chinese chappie told me that in the chinese countryside, they worship Mao Zedong as a god .......

I thought he meant idolizing him untill I saw a picture of a peasant's home in China in the New York Times .....
They were REALLY worshipping him like a Taoist diety ! .... complete with chickens and joss sticks and papers place in front of a painted picture of him on a throne like those you see on Taoist altars .... except Chairman Mao was painted in his trademark grey mao suit .....

sgdiehard SG

There is also a temple worshipping Jiangkaishek in Taiwan. There is no dispute that Mao had done much to the poor peasants in china but he is remembered only as the founding father of PRC, like Sunyetsen in ROC. Already Deng did not follow everything that Mao said and today Deng is remembered only as the leader who opened up china leading to current prosperity. There is not much the current young chinese could remember about the past, many don't even recognise FEC. (except for the history on WW2 and that part of history on why Hong Kong and Macao came under foreign rules).

There is no doubt that US is wary of any country that can match their influence, be it china or EU. My concern is where do we, singaporean, together all other countries in the region stand, in the middle of all these. how is US handling the rising china will surely affect us. if US choose to confront china we will all end up in the cold war era again and who will benefit?

personally I prefer a balance of power which include China, India, united korea, Japan and US rather than a US dominant Asia. Once there is a military balance in the region, all other countries will not be forced to take side.

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