Is the world FLAT??

tripwire SG · 2005-11-17T05:13:32+00:00

What he said about fire and forget is correct. The MM38 don't need a surface or airborne station to relay station to the missile. The MM38 can go automatic...

tripwire SG

funny question?

well..i came across this malaysian website... and there was this oversize lizard there who said the following:

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=183407&page=2&extra=page%3D1

HAHA. MORE RUBBISH!

Who is talking about OTH blah blah........the sub-launched missile capability is to allow stand-off range capability lah.

And as MMC as posted, once launched, its entirely FIRE AND FORGET. ( forgetting the missile... Laughing )

http://www.mbda.net/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=109

The EXOCET SM39 Block 2 missile is the submarine-launched version of the EXOCET family, with all its characteristics : all-weather operation, sea-skimming flight, solid propellant, high kill warhead. ( sea skimming... Mr. Green )

The missile has a range of 50 km, which enables the submarine to go into action while remaining out of range of the detection equipment and, even more importantly, the weapons of its surface enemies. ( right.... i am sure all the makers of AMM and CIWS must be laughing their tooth off)

When launched the EXOCET SM39 Block 2 imposes few constraints on the submarine depth, course and speed ( how about distance to target? Mr. Green )

note the part about his claim that he is not talking about OTH but then talk about the exocet having 50KM range....

from what i know...

http://radarproblems.com/calculators/horizon.htm

assuming a sub at sea level... and a US NIMITZ carrier(the biggest military ship i can find Mr. Green ) with a height of 40 meter... the radar horizon is a mere 26km...

versus closer to home... against the RSN formidable... the radar horizon is a pitiful 15KM (assuming the formidable height is 15meter), in reality... the detection range if far lower... since most of the ships RCS is near the water then at the top where sufficient radar echos can be detected. Mr. Green

comparatively... the latest Gould Mk 48 Mod 4 heavyweight torpedoes has a range of 50KM at 40knots (islamic states.. need not apply ).... stupid lizard still think about Stand off range of exocet missiles... Laughing

so... unless the world is flat to the lizard brain... whats the point of noteing the exocet range of 50KM??

but overall... its a good read.. and lots of nice article from singalion about RSN sub.....

tripwire SG

guess what i found....

DUBBED: LONG LANCE.

japanese WW2 torpedo.... Twisted Evil range: 40,000 meter!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

even if the warhead didnt explode... i doubt few ships can survive a ram with this dick... Mr. Green

superworm99 SG

i see a few singaporeans getting quite a heavy beating in there…

Shotgun SG

Usually, the sub would make a radar sweep to provide targetting data for missiles. For the harpoon, it is possible to fire it passively entirely, not sure abt exocet. Once the harpoon is launched on bearing, it will pop up to the surface, climb, acquire target and dive at it. Hence the range.

However, the missile launched like that, would acquire the nearest target. And it might include civ vessels in the vincinity.

U are rite abt the OTH range tho.

CenturionMBT SG

see lah...told you pple not to anyhow bull when in another country's forums...later tio suan like hell.
But whatever you do outside of here, i dun care. Just dun say you are from sgforums...i don't want to answer anymore hate mails again...

tripwire SG

what bull?

but i do agreed... talking military to civilians can be a challenging task... especially when some of those civilians thinks the world is flat and missile have 100 hit probability at max range...

its difficult to teach a cow to appreciate music... they should have leave those cows to their grass and dirt... a cow dont need to know the world is round. Mr. Green

ditzy SG

That's a very long torpedo. Laughing I was walking past a maritime museum recently and saw the replica of a normal torpedo too, its frickin huge if you ask me.

tripwire SG

one... i dont think most subs still carry radar... since they will be underwater most of the time... while sonar... does suffer severe limitations.

two... most missiles dont carry IFF... you might just end up with fracticide...

three... missiles are stupid.. they will hit the first thing they see... be it a CVN, merchant ship or a whale. Mr. Green

four... subs that breaks water surface would be prime target for MPAs like RSAF fokker maritime enforcers that comes with APS-114 and 4 torps.

sgFish SG

as far as i know, most subs carry a radar mast which they raise at periscope depth. the sub does not have to break the surface to use its radar

baer SG

Pleaseeee loh

check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten

This is a picture of the kaiten 1 - one man sucide torp, not the long lance (24" dia), this is 1m dia.

We should take some effort to quote correctly or others would doubt the validity of posts made here.

dkhoo SG

That’s the problem with sub-launched missiles. How are you going to target them? The sub cannot “see” that far while it is submerged, and if it wants to get targetting data from other ships or satellites, it must come close to the surface and put up a UHF or VHF antenna, which reveals its position. While submerged it can only use LF radio, which has bandwidth of about 10 bits per minute. After the sub launches the missile, its position is revealed to everyone within radar range, not just ships within sonar range for the case of a torpedo, which is suicide. No matter how you cut it, sub-launched ASMs are suicide for the sub. Land attack cruise missiles and ballistic missiles are OK, since their targets don’t move, but missiles meant to engage moving targets—no way.

gary1910 SG

Laughing

Well, some new generation of torps have already reach the range of 50km.

Here some info of some new torp that are out recently & others:

DM2A4
Range 50km
Speed 50Kts

Torpedo 2000/Type 26
Range 45km
Speed 50kts

Black Shark
Range 20km
Speed 50Kts

Mk48 Mod 6 ADCAP
Range 20km
Speed 65kts

Spearfish
Range 22km
Speed 65kts

Shkval underwater rocket(supercavitation)
Range 6.8km
Speed 200kts!!!!

According to what is posted in the new forum, IDR June issue article mentioned tat we maybe getting the DM2A4 to arms the Vastergotlands!!!!

SMAPLionHeart SG

when a dog barks at you , you don't get down on 4 legs and bark back at it

SMAPLionHeart SG

I don't understand why you all have to go there to create trouble.

You have such a nice military nuts forum , don't want to go .
Purposely go there to hao lian and kena shoot in the end.

Serve you right!

Anyone can have 1 submarine with AIP , black shark torpedos and surface missile launch capability

Crew also plays a major role..

SMAPLionHeart SG

Prior to the wars in middle east , Israel has been training up , having aerial training over Tel Aviv , and mock dogfights etc..

Where-else , the other few parties , got their aircraft (touted to be similar in terms of performance to the israel aircrafts) and almost started using them immediately. Even the soviet pilots didn't teach them anything much..

this shows how important the crew is...

SMAPLionHeart SG

We got over 20-30 PVs some armed with Harpoon , 4 LST and 6 stealth frigates with ASW helicopters and 6 submarines and 10 Fokker-50 armed with Harpoon missiles and you want to go there talk cock with them for what?

We got so many aircraft that we even put them in storage!

WiNtEr'SkiLL SG

cool man>.

SMAPLionHeart SG

Not to mention the amount of defense we got on CNB which can immediately turn into assault if someone tries to be funny!

Evil or Very Mad

SMAPLionHeart SG

Go to battle for fuck?

RSN weapons are not made for the crippling of potential adversary's navy.
it's for the total anhiliation of any potential adversary navy...

SMAPLionHeart SG

Our birds also more advanced and combat proven with real kills !!