Google Earth images of S'pore

last SG · 2005-08-21T12:15:14+00:00

That's not mindef. That's the camp next to mindef.

Shotgun SG

this runway is for aircraft that may need to ditch to land one right? Eg, engines flame out, doing unpowered landing, so can land at this runway. They prolly don't wan any dying F-5s to crash into any buildings on mainland singapore while attempting such a risky landing.

Gun SG

counted 8 hangers with 4 of them can easily hold at least a pair of F16 size fighters in tandem. The U-shaped taxi way leads directly to Changi airport's 1st runway. Problem is unlike the offical CAB's Fokker apron, any fighters that need to scramble will need to take off in northernly direction, taking it into less friendly skies.

The base parameter consist of at least 2 fences plus thick vegetations.
If u stay near this location, u might occasional hear afterburner-like jet takeoffs in the night.

Zooish SG

Aiyoh, u guys are openly discussing about a supposedly 'classified' area of CAB West Laughing

Yes, very clever, can see the hangars even though they are 'camouflaged'. This area is not meant for permanent use, but for temporary use by visiting detatchments from other bases, or emergency landings.

Yes, there are 2 layers of fencing, with con-wire, CCTV and IDS. Yes, there's very thick vegetation around, and its a bloody creepy place at night.

But this area is far more important for other reasons, which obviously, i cannot reveal. I dun want MSD to come knocking on my door. Twisted Evil

rascallyun SG

Hopefully this is not classified but if you look at the changi images, you can spot a straight winged a/c just below the CW hardstands. It looks to be positioned away from any main runways. From what i can see, it has a pretty long wingspan (29.9 m), its white in colour. I was thinking it might be a old EE Canberra, but i might be wrong. Anyone has clues to its identity?

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huaichien SG

What are CW hardstands?

rascallyun SG

CW = Changi West. Smile

Gun SG

Originally posted by Zooish:
This area is not meant for permanent use, but for temporary use by visiting detatchments from other bases, or emergency landings.

yeah, looks more like a temporary installation for visiting foreign planes and too small for a full squadron location. It may also meant as a stopgap before Changi East base becomes operational. But boy, 4 of those camo hangers are freaking HUGE which is longer that a 747.

One certainly cannot see planes exiting the base on to Runway 1 since Changi a/p viewing gallery faces away towards the coastline.

Zooish SG

I'm not guessing that its for temporary use, i'm TELLING you its for temporary use, and during my time there, i've only seen local squadrons frm other bases having detatchments there. Even with Changi East in operation now, this area still has strategic importance and is still used regularly.

You've gotten the orientation of the hangars wrong, they're not that long. Laughing
The hangars can't accomodate any fixed-wing a/c larger than a fighter jet .

And yes, you CAN see planes exiting from that area from Changi T1 viewing gallery. But i'm not sure if the viewing gallery is still in use though, last time i was there was more than half a year ago.

huaichien SG

I wonder why they take the trouble to camoflage those hangers. Its not very effective, isn't it? If they have earth and vegetation above the hangars then that's more like it. But anyway, from the air you can see where the taxiways lead in and out of the hangars, giving them away.

Does anybody want to tell if SG has underground hangars? Heard Taiwan air bases have.

SMAPLionHeart SG

I don't know , but any sensible country's war assets would be free from enemy attacks.

that includes bombs etc.

Shotgun SG

Looking at some of our airbase images, somehow I suspected we do lar. They don’t have enuff surface hangars to hold all the planes?? Where are the rest held? Disassembled and put into their airfix boxes?

huaichien SG

According to Wikipedia, the RSAF has 53 F-5s (all versions) and they are all stationed at PLAB. Looking at aerial imagery, there are 8 smaller hangars and 6 larger hangars on the forested, right side of the runway.

With each F-5's wingspan being 8m and I assume it takes double the space (16m) to accomodate each fighter.
The larger hangars (~100m length) would be able to take 6 F-5s each.
The smaller hangars (~70m length) would be able to take 4 F-5s each.
So that works out to a capacity for 68 F-5s.

So the above ground hangars are sufficient to house all the F-5s. Unless of course, what seems like above ground hangars are actually entrances to underground hangars.

iveco SG

Will Google Earth be a security threat? What if terrorists come across the pictures you guys posted?

Shotgun SG

They’d have to get through the field defense squadron first.

lionnoisy SG

2.If they pay few dollars pm,they will get better resolution images.
Shall Sg shut down this knid of site just afraid terrorist attack?

iveco SG

Oct 15, 10:35 PM EDT
Google Satellite Photos Worry India Leader

By OMER FAROOQ
Associated Press Writer

HYDERABAD, India (AP) -- Indian President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam expressed concern Saturday about a free mapping program from Google Inc., warning it could help terrorists by providing satellite photos of potential targets.

Google Earth, an Internet site launched in June this year, allows users to access overlapping satellite photos. Although not all areas are highly detailed, some images are very high resolution, and some show sensitive locations in various countries.

At a meeting of top police officials in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad, Kalam said he worried that "developing countries, which are already in danger of terrorist attacks, have been singularly chosen" for providing high resolution images of their sites.

The governments of South Korea and Thailand and lawmakers in the Netherlands have expressed similar concerns.

South Korean newspapers said Google Earth provides images of the presidential Blue House and military bases in the country, which remains technically at war with communist North Korea. The North's main nuclear facility at Yongbyon is among sites in that country displayed on the service.

The Google site contains clear aerial photos of India's parliament building, the president's house and surrounding government offices in New Delhi. There are also some clear shots of Indian defense establishments.

Debbie Frost, spokewoman for Mountain View, Calif.-based Google, noted that the software uses information already available from public sources and the images displayed are about one to two years old, not shown in real time.

"Google takes governmental concerns about Google Earth and Google Maps very seriously. Google welcomes dialogue with governments, and we will be happy to talk to Indian authorities about any concerns they may have," Frost said in an e-mail statement Saturday.

Kalam, a scientist who guided India's missile program before becaming president, called for new laws to restrain dissemination of such material. He said existing laws in some countries regarding spatial observations of their territory and the United Nations' recommendations on the practice are inadequate.

rascallyun SG

Well there might be some positive results to this. No more secrets. I mean in that, with this, wouldn’t the global environment be more transparent?

Shotgun SG

Yeap, and everybody can pre-designate and target each other’s government building before any war kicks off! wonderful!

huaichien SG

The perceived security threat from Google Earth is very much due to ignorance. The former incarnate of Google Earth, the Keyhole program, was publicly available long before Google bought them over. NASA has the WorldWind program also publicly available before Google Earth was released. Then you can also purchase high res commercial satellite imagery from companies like Space Imaging. Why no hooha over Keyhole, WorldWind and Space Imaging? Simply because they are much more obscure than Google. But determined baddies, whether religious zealots or rogue governments, would have discovered these resources long ago and used them if they wanted to.

ceecookie SG

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