Israeli AMX-13

last SG · 2005-09-15T21:08:12+00:00

anyway looking at the AMX-13 is really an eye-sore to me i say use it as a moving target practicing with live rounds and missile trial firing UGLY DESIGN A...

tiggersgd SG

pls compare apple with apple...20mm or a .5 cal has what sort of range for a tank?

i can shoot n kill ur IFV (APC n soft vehicle to small light tanks) with my 1 round....75mm! and at what range? definitely more than ur 20mm n .5 cal.

lacking in accuracy (human), reliability (human), mobility (dun understand...as in range of service?)...as u can see, most factors are co-related to human or the operators that is behind the IFV...pls...u think this is a robotic tank?!

enuff said too!

tiggersgd SG

correction:
left is a normal round, center is the cross section of a APFSDS, right is a APFSDS itself.

tripwire SG

tell me... the two APFSDS rounds size is not identical... the cutup cross section one... seems much bigger then the other APFSDS behind...

could it be the... 90mm or 105mm APFSDS? Twisted Evil

kilroy SG

APFSDS AMMUNITION- ARMOURED PIERCING FIN-STABILISED DISCARDING SABOT

APFSDS (Armoured Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding Sabot) ammunition is a type of anti-tank round. It uses kinetic energy to penetrate armoured vehicles, and is often referred to as a KE round. A fin stabilised sub-projectile or sub-calibre 'dart' of very dense material such as depleted uranium (APFSDS - DU) or tungsten steel (APFSDS - TS) is fired at very high speed (hyper-velocity). The sub-projectile has a high length to diameter ratio, and is often referred to as a 'long rod penetrator'. By encasing the sub-projectile in a lightweight sabot jacket the sub-projectile is able to be fired from a much larger calibre gun. The sabot in effect 'seals' the space between the barrel lining and the sub-projectile.

The difference in calibres between the gun barrel and the sub-projectile means that a disproportionate high charge/propellant level to projectile weight/drag occurs. This results in massive energy transfer to the low drag sub-projectile, the sabot ensuring all energy is transfered to the 'dart'.

The sabot round rapidly attains hyper-velocity in the gun barrel. As the sabot round leaves the muzzle of the gun, the sabot jacket is shed from the sub-projectile 'dart' by its own drag. ....

to read further go to http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds.htm

ditzy SG

The one behind is the correct 75mm size, the one in front is a mock blown up view. Laughing

Shotgun SG

I believe anywhere within 1km is enuff to kill the AMX-13 for the 20-30mm family of armor piercing rounds. As for .50 cals... Preferably within 500m.

Besides, the time u take to fire ONE 75mm round, is enuff for most AFVs to fire a whole volley of their 20mm. Besides, do u think the AMX-13 can acquire faster than modern IFVs? Lets not compare with neighbouring vehicles for now. Which do you think will survive? Between a Bionix and an AMX-13 firing on the move over rugged terrain. Chances are, the 75mm will miss, while the BX will plough enuff 25mm slugs thru ur engine block.

If the armor protection of the vehicle is not able to ensure the survivability of its crew, then u can also throw those "Human operator factors" out the window.

tvdog SG

Agree...

A human hand-loaded 75mm gun that has to stop to fire versus 25mm stabilised chain gun that can fire on the move. Not much of a contest I would think.

I really, really wouldn't bet on "Human operator factors".

Some people used to talk about how the AMX-13 speed and agility is better than heavy armour etc... Well, the Humvee is very fast, but people are getting killed in those things cos nothing is fast or agile enough to outrun a chain gun or even an RPG round. So let's have some real armour protection.

Even with modern ammo, there is really, really nothing more you can do with the AMX-13 that doesn't beg the question: WHY NOT BUY NEW TANKS?

But until then, we operate the world's biggest fleet of 50-year old tanks. Whoopee Smile

Lance_han SG

do we get a shot at Guiness world records for doing so? Laughing

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