Pentagon announces possible fighter aircraft sale to S'pore

sbst275 SG

The prob is still logistics, training, lots of other factors.

And, Rafale 1st overseas order if they get it

wd1 SG

right now, the French and Thales are willing to offer 100% tech cooperation on the AESA - which is one of our biggest priorities. gives the Rafale an advantage.

that is not the case with the F-15T, there are still a lot of US tech transfer restrictions. however, i believe if the US offer us substantial transfer of AESA tech, F-15T will take the deal. US AESA is still the most advanced.

don't forget, american political pressure isn't going to work on us. it didn't spare michael fay the rotan, and neither is it going to affect our selection - we will pick the best plane for our needs, pure and simple. we are famous worldwide for that.

buying the rafale will also reduce our dependence on the US for fighter aircraft. always good to diversify your fighter supplier base in case relations go sour.

well, MINDEF announced the deadline is next month. not long more to wait! Dassault and Boeing are probably throwing their final sweeteners now, and we will know the decision in the coming weeks.

Pitot SG

Do you mean this? http://www.airliners.net/open.file/683651/L/

Hope it helps. Smile

Cheers.

|-|05| SG

The contract if i remember correctly was, 8-10 planes with an option for 12 more or something along those lines

Fatum SG

heheh ..... bring it on Flankers !!! .... hope you've just serviced your ejection seats .... hahahaha .......

Pitot SG

Sorry if its wrong Rolling Eyes

It rang a thoght with me as I just saw the other pic yest. Embarassed

Fatum SG

nope, that's the one ... it's an Israeli made Elbit systems Helmut mounted cueing system, designed to fire high off bore sight air-to-air missiles, like the python IV ... but let's call it a "rumour" still eh ... Wink

the US AIM-9X will have a similar capability ... but it's so new it hasn't even been integrated on all fighters yet, so i'll say our strategic relationship with the US must be deeper than it appears ...

Pitot SG

lol..a newcomer here, hope I can help you all as time goes. Very Happy

The pic is taken from Airliners.Net, and if you read the description, it shows that our pilots are wearing it during an excercise with their French counterparts in France.

Cheers.

storm_freaky13 SG

no pic leh can re post?

FG42 SG

Well said and good idea!!

SMAPLionHeart SG

Well , in times of conflict , if you need spare parts , you think France will airlift those Rafale spart parts if it gets damaged?

scenario
Do note that only SG and France is using it.
American spare parts for the planes , some parts are quite similar , as for Rafale spare parts , it is much different.

As for the missiles which only works on Rafale but not F-16 , it's going to a big problem .If they buy rafale , during future air detachments , you have to bring your weapons , spare parts along to other pple's air force base to train.
USA also has a wider area to train on.

Delta 5 SG

The weapons of American manufacture in RSAF service such as the
AGM-65B/D/G Maverick ASMs, Paveway II LGBs, Mk 20 Rockeye CBU,
Mk 82/83/84 GP Bombs and AIM-9J/P/S Sidewinder AAM are already cleared for use on the Rafale.

Also, French weapons such as the Durandal Anti-Runway Bomb are cleared for use on the F-16C/D.

The issue for spares should not be a problem, given that the RSAF already operates aircraft from France such as the AS332M and AS550A. Even if we get the F-15T, the spare parts are completely different from that of the F-16C/D, no? Engines excepted...

Pitot SG

The link works for me.. Question

sbst275 SG

OK...

Even considering in times of war, you still have to consider cost in like logistics in times of peace... If not, trouble maintaining them and high cost

Shotgun SG

What silver bullet? Silver bullet in the form of the Derby?

Sardaukar SG

Personally,I’d hope for the Rafale.It has much better potential than the F-15T given its relative youth and less restrictions on technology they are willing to transfer to us.It would also diversify the source of out fighters and make us less vulnerable to political/diplomatic pressure from the US.

Fatum SG

nope, my idea of a silver bullet would be a combination of systems, ECMs, wild weasel equipment and other stuff, (recall the humps on our viper Ds ? .. ) and more weaponary hardware of course, i won't be surprised that if shit happens a lot of hardware that we've never seen before appears, i'm thinking python IVs and yes, the derby perhaps, but also a lot more guided munitions, maybe the harpoons for the fokkers would "transform" into SLAMs for the fast jets ... more standoff weapons like popeyes maybe .... HARMS ... or even harpy drones ....

ah_kwang SG

I think so too... read in the web that our F16C/Ds and US F15 lost to India's SU-30 during a training in India. Read that their SU30 from Squadron. 20 Lightning (or something like that) suffered no losses to our F16...

tankee1981 SG

Although the official results to that exercise in India is not releasesd but do anyone have any information on this? Hopefully personnel who are involved in the exercise itself can tell us more about what happened. Did our F-16 did that badly against the Su-30s? I know the Indian pilots are good but for RSAF not to score a single hit and suffered total loss is a bit unbelievable. Very Happy

LazerLordz SG

I do know that the USAF sent their ANG units to fight against the IAF, and they were under orders to hold back in engagement.It makes no sense to throw all you have up against your counterpart in your mock engagements.

To have a much more accurate figure, go check out the Red Flag results of 2004.RSAF pilots came up tops in the accuracy charts for most shots-to-kill ratio.And these were against NATO planes.

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