Our sky is always clear --E2C & FPS 117

last SG · 2005-06-01T10:02:35+00:00

38.I just pick 1500km fr air.I think 1000 km is more realistic. Do u think so" In genreal.dunt talk RSAF,is it right to say fuel will consume at 6 to 15 %...

SMAPLionHeart SG

Don’t worry , the seahawk definitely can detect the scorpene subs…

SMAPLionHeart SG

Anyway , submarines are really vulnearable in a sense , it can only take 1 or 2 hit...before the entire crew dies off..

anyone disagrees/agrees with me?

rascallyun SG

Cool. But with regards to weapons capability, I recall seeing a torp mounted on the fuselage hardpoint of the MPA, isn’t the MPA also supposed to be harpoon capable? Be need to have a dedicated ASW A/C tho.

Lance_han SG

but the question is, can u get tat one or two hits on tat sub b4 it does the same thing to u??? Laughing

38 SG

No, the best way to counter SSK is always another SSK. Seahawk can do the job, but their search range and extreme complexity of the ocean prevent them a sure cure.

For shallower waters, a submarine can lie on the ocean bottom and evade detection. There are enough wrecks out there to screw up MAD detectors, and sonar readings can be masked by natural terrains. the even quieter Scorpene SSK can only make it easier to escape airborne hunting.

SBS3624G SG

Ooh, thanks for enlightening me. Mr. Green

Obersturmfuhrer SG

The sub was never designed with toughing out impacts in mind (except for dealing with depth charges), which is why their primary weapon is mainly stealth.

lionnoisy SG

FPS 117 fr STimes

maggot SG

Just have a lot of "Ah hao" soldiers walked through the customs can liao Laughing

Delta 5 SG

Any reports of follow-on orders for the FPS-117?
There were originally 2 ITT RS-320 radars in RSAF service so an additional order to supplement the sole FPS-117 we have would be good as a backup.

I am not sure of whether our E-2C upgrade includes changing the current APS-138 to the APS-145 radar. Anyone care to enlighten us?

lionnoisy SG

E2C Hawkeye (E2C)
Dimensions:
Length Overall 17.54 m
Wing Span 24.56 m
Height 5.58 m

Performance:
Max Level Spd. 300 kts
Max Cruise Spd. 300 kts
Service Ceiling 30,800 ft
Radar APS-138
Time on Station (200 Nm from base) 3 hrs 30 mins
Endurance 5 hrs

What are the differences of Time on Station and endurance?

aquasky SG

nothing is impossible, even the USA learn what happened from Pearl Harbour, they never expect a torpedo can sneak into their shallow waters by Japanese.
Any fighter planes can sneak in between the non-detectable level of sonar and air radar gap

lionnoisy SG

E2C have been upgraded to 19 inch color screen.Can distinguish
friend or foe with 450 km range ,up to few hundred targets .

zquek SG

Seriously, the E2C is used for much more specific operation area. They are also critical to any beyond visual range engagements by our Amraam. Any aerial attack force on Singapore may not be detected by the E2C.

The key to the aerial defence of Singapore is our Air Traffic Control area of operation. Singapore has been allocated the role of controlling the air traffic of the entire South East Asia by the FAA in the 1980s, the Malaysians were making a lot of noise about that. In fact, the air search capability the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore has allows the detection of aircraft as far as Australia. Yep, you read me correct. Our ground radars and E2C have more specific war time purposes, thats why they are the mobile versions. In case the Malaysians detroy CAAS radar stations.

lionnoisy SG

I think E2C fly everyday.Why MINDEF spent one year's of defense
budget 20 years ago and the 4 aircrafts are useful only during war time?

I think the 4 supplement the CAAS radar and deter unscheduled
planes appoarching Sg.

8. And so National Service was introduced in 1967. We made well-considered investments in military equipment and advanced technology. When we bought the E2C Hawkeye airborne early warning aircraft in 1985, it was like buying ourselves a high mountain on which to place a radar so that it could see further and give us precious extra minutes of warning and reaction time, than placing a radar on the highest of our hills could ever provide us.

fr Speech by MINISTER FOR DEFENCE, AT TEMASEK SEMINAR 2005, 27 JULY 2005
http://app.sprinter.gov.sg/data/pr/20050727989.htm

The answer is EW day and night!!We have upgraded ours to Group II.
No reference off hand.

see also http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/jni/jni010126_1_n.shtml
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-2.htm

lionnoisy SG

Some people still think the upgrade of E2C were only a make up.
It was not.Can anyone confirm the 4 E2C have been upgraded from Group
zero to Group II (two)?I think I read fr JDW.

The entire computer system is upgraded and millions of code in software
have been rewritten.
More than double of targets can be tracked.
Picture in picture mode to allow WSO to track a particular target while
maintaining overall situation awareness.

The best news report come from Project Eyeball of :
http://www.dsta.gov.sg/Home/Display/Content11.asp?id=461
24 Apr 2001.DSTA upgrades the Mission Control System of the E-2C Hawkeye.

It can detect threats 20 minutes before they reach our shore.....
Combined with long range ground radar,E2C can cover an effective
radius of more than 800 km

fr P. Eyeball above.

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lionnoisy SG

Multiyear Procurement
The decision to re-open the US Navy's E-2C production line - closed down in 1994 after the delivery of six FY92 aircraft - came after plans to modernise 36 Group 0 aircraft to Group II standard were abandoned; a cost and operational effectiveness appraisal concluded that the procurement of new-production Group IIs would be more cost-effective over the longer term.

fr http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/jni/jni010126_1_n.shtml

Why US found it was not feasible to upgrade the 36 Group O planes ?Sg has the talents and guts to moderinse the only 4 planes.

Can u tell me why?

Shotgun SG

Wow, interesting subject here. I guess when they meant 800km, they are just stating the ability TO BE ABLE to cover 800km if needed to. Whether its wise or not is another question.

I believe there is a sortie profile called HAVCAP, to protect the High Value assets such as AEWs. The cool thing about AEWs, is that u cant really sneak up on one. Though u may figure out where one may be, how to approach without getting spotted by the AEW is the tricky part. Unless u got some really nifty toys such as F-22s.

So u dont' really NEED to have planes patrolling Around the AEW in order to protect it. Just make sure the nearest airbase has fighters ready to scramble to protect it.

But of course, if the AEW is operating near to the front, it would be wise to have rotating flights of HAVCAP sorties planned out.

Nothing classified here, just speaking from my hours of playing Falcon 4 SP3.

lionnoisy SG

E2C gives us 15 minutes more warning than ground radars.
---Project Eyeball 24.04.2001
http://www.dsta.gov.sg/Home/Display/Content11.asp?id=461
DSTA upgrades the Mission Control System of the E-2C Hawkeye

2.It can detect low flying aircraft up to 100 km away.--PIONEER Apr 2002

3.Our E2C should be heading this direction:

From US FY99 onwards a new Multiyear Procurement (MYP) contracting approach has been adopted for the procurement of the new-generation Hawkeye 2000. Now in production transition, this new marque is the umbrella term for a package of parallel improvements to the Group II baseline encompassing a Mission Computer Upgrade (MCU), introduction of the Advanced Control Indicator Set (ACIS) display suite, fully integrated UHF satellite communications (satcom), a vapour cycle upgrade and addition of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC). Taken together, these various enhancements will enable significant improvements in data management, system throughput, operator interface, connectivity and situational awareness. Initial operating capability (with CEC) is scheduled for 2003.

The introduction of the MCU/ACIS fit, as a precursor to the full Hawkeye 2000 mission fit, is significant in that it provides for the transition of the mission system to a new open architecture based on industry-standard backplane technology. Based on the Raytheon Model 940 computer, a modification of the DEC 2100 processing system, the MCU offers orders of magnitude of extra memory and throughput in comparison to the legacy L-304 computer. Based on industry-standard VME/PCI technology, it is approximately one-third the weight and less than half the volume of its predecessor, freeing up space and weight for other new equipments.

fr http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/jni/jni010126_1_n.shtml

lionnoisy SG

Fr Asian Defence Journal Jan 2004:Air power--The core of Sg Defence by Michael Brooks.

The E2C can detect low flying aircraft and cruise missile from up to 100 km away

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