SAR-21 - Like or Don't like?

last SG · 2005-02-23T23:29:58+00:00

I'm fine with that, albeit grudgingly, although I just can't stand the hypocrisy that is seen when they tell Myanmar that they need to get on the road map to...

tvdog SG

MINDEF never asked your opinion when they adopted the SAR-21 as a replacement for the M-16. Assuming if they did ask your opinion, what would you say?

a) What do you like about the M-16?

b) What do you dislike about the M-16?

c) What do you like about the SAR-21?

d) What do you dislike about the SAR-21?

e) Do you guys think the SAR-21 is the best relacement for the M-16?

f) Or do you think there is anothher weapon that is a better replacement for the M-16?

g) Or do you think we should stick with the M-16?

Your opinions please...

nismoS132 SG

a) i don't like anything about the m16
b) it's ugly.
c) it looks good, is well balanced, and looks good. and it's MADE IN SINGAPORE.
d) weight. LAD.
e) any better alternative?
f) i quite like the LWSAR21 actually, it looks cooler and is lighter.
g) NO.

bcoy SG

a) The M16 is very light and easy to use.

b) I don't like mounting LADs at the front of the M16 - makes it front heavy.

c) SAR21 is well balanced, comfortable, and shorter. Has laser aiming device for close combat, 1.5 optical scope.

d) SAR21 was not designed for left handed/shoulder use, and the fire selector is badly located. Standard version has no rails for additional optical night sights.

e) I guess it would be an advantage to have a locally produced rifle to replace the M16.

f) Internationally - the HK G36 series appears to be a very good and popular alternative these days. The other alternative is the Canadian version of the M16.

g) The M16 has been around for 30 years. There are fathers who had used the M16 rifle in the 1970s' during NS, and now they have sons using the same M16s. We should be moving on to a newer updated rifle.

fudgester SG

a). Lighter.

b). Longer and more unwieldy. Harder to aim.

c). Very ergonomic. The optical scope makes aiming really simple.

d). Heavier. The LAD becomes loose after prolonged shooting.
Very awkward magazine catch and push-button system for auto/semi-auto modes.

e). I guess so. Generally rave reviews from defence reviewers.

f). Not that I can think of. All weapons have their strengths/ flaws.

g). M16 is a Vietnam War-era weapon. We have to move along with the times.
Then again, GPMG is of WWII design. Confused

harryryan SG

i shoot better with e sar21...more accurate..... less recoil...only thing is heavier nia. Laughing

tvdog SG

What do you think of the following statements about the SAR-21?

h) Bullpup design means slower magazine change.

i) Scope increase accuracy but slows down target acquisition for quick shooting.

j) The metal open sights should be as good as those found on the M16.

k) Not having a bayonet lug is a good idea as bayonets are useless.

l) The SAR-21 is shorter but too bulky.

m) The selector switch and magazine release switches are hard to reach.

palmerised SG

Why doesn't anyone say an m4a1? it's smaller, lighter, modifiable(sopmod?) to mission requirements and looks good(die must have face). Mr. Green

[email protected] SG

SAR SAR SAR, later SARS scare again then u know

fudgester SG

The carbine version of the M16 you mean? I heard that the accuracy's questionable, even after adding optical scopes and LADs.

It's well-suited for FIBUA, not for jungle ops.

Gordonator SG

i never used a SAR21 before. i'm from a support unit. Neutral Sad Crying or Very sad

palmerised SG

i see... thanks.. so what weapon system(s) would you recommend?

sidestep1984 SG

FN2000!!!!

tvdog SG

FN2000? Why go for all these ultra modern designs? War - especially infantry war - is still a very primitive and brutal affair. I would rather go for a conventional layout weapon like the M-16, G-36, instead of some fancy pants bullpup filled with gadgets and scopes.

The fact that the US has stuck with a conventional layout with the XM-8 tells you a lot. Why don't they go for bullpup?

kopiosatu SG

i dun like sar21, because i prefer using m-16 for arms drill. looks better Laughing

SpecOps87 SG

G36 series of guns are good.But honestly,SAR21 should be given credit as it is quite instinctive to shoot with.But like the others,strongly hate the placement of their selector and the magazine release(not sure if other bull-pups mag release are located behind though.)

tvdog SG

All bullpups have mag release behind, which I feel is a serious flaw.

I'm sure you can imagine a tight situation where you need to change mag quickly like in FIBUA or FOFO where having a magazine behind is gonna be a problem.

Does anyone have any opinion about the lack of a bayonet fixture? Not that I look forward to a hand to hand fight but it would be quite sad not to have a bayonet if the situation calls for one.

The point is that every so-called "modern" war eventually boils down to one human being killing another with whatever means available. I hate to have one such "means" taken away by some silly designer at ST Kinetics or admin general at MINDEF.

During early stage of the recent Iraq war, a British Scots unit was ambushed and outnumbered. The small unit a bayonet charge. Not only were the Iraqis so shocked they ran, the Brits managed to stab about 30 of them to death.

A lot of news about this but this one is most to the point:

Bayonet Brits kill 35 rebels
From an article in The Sun

British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the Armys first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago. The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down. Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara. The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.

After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills.

When the fighting ended bodies lay all over the highway and more were floating in a nearby river. Nine rebels were captured. An Army spokesman said: This was an intense engagement.

The last bayonet charge was by the Scots Guards and the Paras against Argentinian positions. [b]

greengoblin SG

f) AK47 Mr. Green in real combat where got time to aim deh..... just spray...

xking SG

sar 21 sucks….still prefer carbine…even m16 is better…

Chewbacca SG

This debate should be of concern to hardcore devoted soldiers keen on their profession

But as for a normal reservist like me who have finished seving the nation, it doesnt matter.But i prefer SAR 21.Why? cause it doesnt have rough, sharp edges like the ol fashioned M16 during my BMT days, only i knew how many times i had skin abrasions on my hands handling the M16 and cocking it.It was so distracting. I think Sar 21's plastic and rounded edges feel is more user friendly,comfortable and smooth to handle and also gives a novely feeling of being new and up to date...Wish i may not want to handle the M16 again when i go for my reservist

sidestep1984 SG

Mozzie Rep anyone?

Sar21:Help me I'm melting.....arhhhh.....