Shall AK rifle be taught in SAF too?

last SG · 2005-03-05T00:35:20+00:00

Usually, the SAF have joint exercises with TNI Kostrad units here and in Indonesia. I've not met any Kopassus guys. Just wondering. The Indonesians are prof...

zenden9 SG

Rifle like Ak-47 is widely use around the world.Shall we be taught how to use such rifle while we r in our NS live?

IMHO! A short course may help,a one week course and a few range will do!

If budget constraint,how abt restrict just to those task for UN mission,the likely hood of them posting to countries with wide usage of AK rifle is higher.

ditzy SG

One week? I had a crash course with the sar21 in 2 days, range included. Laughing

sidestep1984 SG

ADF fires AKs too i think....for assesment of firearms or something like that...

Joshua1975 SG

it was taught but not to all.

Gedanken SG

As long as the SAF operates as the defence force it is claimed to be, there is little utility in training NS men in the use of the AK, since the armies in our neighbourhood don’t use them.

storywolf SG

Actually all guns are almost the same in operation. If you know how to use a M16 then using a AK-47 is even easiler .

Don't think that there is extra need to go for range. Why ? even if you train to shoot with a AK-47 , if you ever pick up an other AK-47, the zeroing of it also will not be the same. Just do what the russian taught their soldiers, go for auto burst and hope you hit the target.

deathscythe99 SG

In real war, as long as got ammo, can fire, can le…just pray bullets land on the enemy haha.

Gordonator SG

Laughing

fudgester SG

My battalion S2 once briefed us prior to ATEC that whatever weapons we capture from the OpFor can be used against them.

Accroding to him, this was the logic:

"All assault rifles operate on the same principle. Load, cock and shoot."

I guess that applies to the AK-47 as well. Mr. Green

SingaporeMacross SG

Actually it’s dangerous to pick up enemy weapons for your own usage. They could be sabotaged.

deathscythe99 SG

Shall we FFF the weapon prior to usage? Laughing

palmerised SG

Murphy's Law Buddy... when you're short of everything but the enemy, you're in a combat zone.. and that includes AMMO... Mr. Green

and yes i have mentioned about picking up indeginous rifles and the reply was the same as above. it might be wired. true. BUT what if you've just downed that aggressor and you move forward shortly afterward and pick it up. now that'll be possible no? IMO anyway.

storywolf SG

Think you read too much novels ! First it is expensive and difficult to sabotage a rifle just to kill a soldier. Also to do these type of sabo, you need to be well train and time, it can be as dangerous to the person setting up the trap.

When war time, there is so many casaulties, you think the enemy is so free to slowly sabo rifles !!! Everyone is fighting a war and busy shooting at each other instead. There may be rare cases of sabo only.

Next, if there is bloody war on, you can run around without a rifle in the middle of the war or you can pick up a rifle and have at least some protection.

Shotgun SG

hahaha. u all play too much CS. Low carbine ammo, see AK on the floor, gian sai go and pick up, suay suay u pick up an empty weapon, then what? Bang balls n die? Would u rather reload a familiar m-16 or carbine, or figure out where the bugger keep his ammo, and how to reload the AK?

If it ever comes to the point that u have to pick up another bugger's weapon, u probably have no time to reload, and all u can do is point n squeeze the trigger n hope for the best.

Johnston SG

Mr Storywolf, perhaps you are not familiar that during the Vietnam War, there was a certain type of grenade produced that had no fuse at all.
Which meant, Pull ring, release spoon, and BOOM.

WHO was this type of grenade produced for?
Navy SEALs.
WHY was this type of grenade produced?
To SABOTAGE any one (read: VC) that picked it up and tried to be a smart alec.

Johnston SG

certain SAF units are already trained to use weapons all over the world.

They use berets of one of the primary colours.

Silenthunter SG

Under the old doctrine of early SAF. Scouts were trained to using 42 different type of firearms (rifles/pistols/others). Among them includes the Ak-47.

This is due to the fact that during that time in the late 60s, communist militias are still spreading in the jungles of Malaysia and with SG just gaining independence, it's very venerable to Communist raids and ambush.

But after the communist militia were arrested and pull back thanks to the MAF, SAF stop adopting that doctrine.

source - My SISPEC OC, a senior warrant, the first batch of scouts, the one who proposed the reorg from the ancient 9 men section to the current 7 men section. Now probably retired.

Some of the old weapons can be found in the Armor Heritage center. Wink

Tango1 SG

Might not be a bad idea for a 1-2 day instruction class on the AK-47. Just theory and practice a bit on stripping the weapon, assembly, IA, line of sight familiarization, etc..just no range practice lor..won't take much time also.

Ditto for the Steyr and FN-CAL (I think..wat's that FN rifle that's standard issue in TNI? I just can't recall!! Somebody help me on this? Anybody? Mr. Green )

While we are on this topic, do you all think that all men and specialists should learn the P226 pistol as well? Again, theory and dry practice..no live shoots. As far as I know, only officers and some specs get to learn and shoot it. It might be useful in a scenario when a soldier comes across an officer (officer down!) and am able to pick up the pistol and employ the sidearm, in addition to his rifle.

Might not be a bad idea for knowledge's sake. Plus, you never know when it might really be useful...that's my opinion though.. Mr. Green

sword SG

Ditto for the Steyr and FN-CAL (I think..wat's that FN rifle that's standard issue in TNI? I just can't recall!! Somebody help me on this? Anybody? Mr. Green )

While we are on this topic, do you all think that all men and specialists should learn the P226 pistol as well? Again, theory and dry practice..no live shoots. As far as I know, only officers and some specs get to learn and shoot it. It might be useful in a scenario when a soldier comes across an officer (officer down!) and am able to pick up the pistol and employ the sidearm, in addition to his rifle.

Might not be a bad idea for knowledge's sake. Plus, you never know when it might really be useful...that's my opinion though.. Mr. Green [/b][/quote]

haha...i agree wif u man...it wld b gd to get our hands on more weapons during ns... Razz

anw...e indonesian rifle is the FN FNC...i've gt a link here...hope it works
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as24-e.htm Smile

tvdog SG

Yes, the Indonesian weapon is the FN-FNC. It is made under license in Indonesia.

Peter Kokalis review of the weapon here:
http://remtek.com/arms/fn/fnc/index.htm

Being locally-made in Indonesia does raise questions about quality.

But funny you should call it CAL as the CAL is a very rare but unsuccessful predecessor to the FNC.

I definitely we should learn to use the weapons of neighbouring countries. In times of war, whether they become our enemy or ally, it would be helpful that we are at least familiar with where all the switches are.