What is this new SAF toy?

zenden9 SG

Anybody spotted this new SAF toy at the 2004 army open house at safti?

Looks like US LAV,no news heard of it and nothing has reported of it.Unlike SSPH1 and Bionix,which are announced and report widely in media. Can anybody share any information of it?

ditzy SG

Its the concept STK vehicle, the Terrex. Very Happy

zenden9 SG

Looks like already operational even with the machine gun fix on it!

gary1910 SG

First thing , it is not a SAF toy becos SAF has yet to adopt it, it is a private venture undertaken by ST engg for export market.

2nd thing , it is not really new , I think it is already out more than 3 years ago.

So far there is a report that Turkey might licensed produced them along with Bronco for their new IFV requirement, so far no confirmation abt the report.

Here the brochure for the Terrex AV81:

http://www.stengg.com/upload/3093OMjHRRkK6KIJHFM.pdf

skeujin SG

luks like the vehicle the marines used in Aliens 2

ditzy SG

Thats an airport truck they use to pull big jumbo jets onto the runway. Very Happy

the.raven SG

can I click on it and click on people to attack?

tripwire SG

maybe SAF should get some of those terrex to replace the V-100, V-150 and V-200 that is getting really old…..

tankee1981 SG

I agree that the V-100,V-150 and V-200 are getting old and Terrex seems to be the best choice for their replacement. Very Happy

eurofighter SG

I am wondering if the Terrex is a suitable replacement for the V-150/200 family, considering that the V-200 has 4 wheels while the Terrex has 8.
This would certainly result in a higher maintenance cost.
It seems to be pretty long too. Wondering if a scaled down version would be more suitable.

tvdog SG

The V series has too high a centre of gravity therefore it overturns EASILY on uneven terrain.

Technically the V-100 - 200 series should've been taken out of service long, long ago. They are now used only by air-defence of airbase (where it is VERY FLAT and sometimes for reserve infantry.

foxtrout8 SG

No, the V series is not only confine to the protection of Installation.

Within the Air Defense System Brigade, there is the Divisional Air Defense Brigade (DA) which consist of 3,6,9 and 18DA. 18DA will provide homeland defense like the FDS but the 3,6,9 DA will provide divisional ADs which in another words is a front line unit (unless that division is not frontline...).

gary1910 SG

Actually , the bulk of the V-200 is with the ASU of PDF formation, afterall the terrain that they are suppose to operate is the highly urbanised SG. An 4x4 AFV should have no problem operating in SG.

One thing, I heard some of them are recently refurbished, so they might still be here for quite some time.

As for the Terrex where it was first introduced in 2001 ,is modular concept AFV where it could be used as mortar carrier, IFV, tank destroyer with a 105mm gun and even 155mm SPH!!

From illustration( a sketch) from STK on the 155mm SPH, it has along barrel, seem to me a 52cal gun!!

So far ,since the report in October 2003 that ST Kinetics and Turkey's Otokar Otobus Karoseri Sanayi AS (Otokar) had concluded co-operation agreements for two vehicles , the Terrex which they called it as Yavuz and the other is the Bronco, no other report from them since then at this moment. The Turks might be the first one to have the Terrex in operation.

The Turks are also licensed producing our FH-2000 which they called it as Panter, and their Firtina SPH which is based Korean K9 chasis, is also uses the same gun for spares commonality.

The Panter 52cal towed gun.
http://warriorsoul.4t.com/cgi-bin/i/images/panter1.jpg

Firtina SPH
http://warriorsoul.4t.com/cgi-bin/i/images/firtina.jpg

storywolf SG

We should get ST get the movie rights and get hollywood to do the re-make of the movie of Damnation Alley - with Terrex as the star vehicles ! think after that it will be the hot seller world wide.

spencer99 SG

The RBS70 armed V200s are still being used by ADA untils.

The 20mm armed V200s are being used by PDFs and for Airbase defence.

kingkhong79 SG

The V200 in Singapore are being upgraded with diesel engines and automatic transmissions so they are unlikely to be replaced by the terrex which is a bit of an overkill if they r only to be used for airbase air-defence.

esesce SG

I'm thinking they should eventually replace the M113 Ultra with Terrex. So our APCs would be mainly Bionix & Terrex. The tank killer variant of the Terrex would also be a good supplement for our AMX13-SM1.

martin_lim85 SG

this is a APC right????

gary1910 SG

I dun think SAF will be interested in Terrex as M113 replacement, they will most probably replace by more Bionix.

The reason I believe is simply becos a wheeled AFV are still having too high a ground pressure to be used in tropical rain forest terrain.

Currently , the vanilla Terrex weight abt 17.5tons, with more heavier weapons and additional armour , the weight could be easily be up to 25 tons.

Eventhough the ground pressure is not released by ST , I will use a similar weighted 8x8 for reference.

Piranha 4 Basic 8x8 weight abt 25 tons, and has a ground pressure of 481kPa ~ 4.9 kgf/sq cm, which is abt 6.5 times that of Bionix!!!

Anyway, the V-200 4x4 was actually our first bad buy in the late 60s for our newly formed armoured force, they were found to be easily mired in swampy terrain which was soon replaced by the tracked M113 after a few years of svc.

With more than 250 V series AFVs, some were modified as a SAM platform & the rest seconded to FDS & PDF.

observe SG

I tend to think that esesce's viewpoint would more likely come true rather than the "tracked and detroit diesel engine" champion in this forum. Very Happy

But my reasons are mainly due to the poor amphibious characteristics of the Bionix.

We shall see the development in the next 1 -2 years to see which viewpoint is correct. Cool