Singaporean Amphibous capability

last SG · 2004-08-17T11:45:05+00:00

U got pretty good eye sight. The picture is so small and u manage to count the wheels? *salute*

deathscythe99 SG

I agree. Info for the Astros can be easily gathered off the web, since it's a buy-off-the-shelf type of MLRS Smile

And yea, it's good for dealing with area targets, and easily it's range outguns our howitzers. But would it destroy us? well....u gotta see...

FiReDuKe SG

[quote]Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
[b]Finally someone who agrees partially with me

The Both perceived Northern and Southern neighbours, both is going to develop well in the next 50 years to come after weathering through the
1997 economic crisis.

Indo and M'sia has 220 million people, + we must not forget the rise of
religious fundamentalists in the country ; therefore we will definitely must be aware of them

220/5million in the future = 21 times.

that means our current GDP PCI of 38,000 , they just need 38,000/21
to match our current Economy , and they will development much more
lets say it becomes 10,000 PCI in the future , take 10,000 x 220million and you get 1 heck of a extremely strong region.

Sooner or later, SAF's unique edge will be overtaken .

Israel managed to have it's unique edge in 1973, Yom kippur war and Six-day war because very simply-speaking , it received latest delivery of F-15 aircraft to counter the poor MiG-23s and MiG-21 which Syria and Egypt was using.

But now , Most country in M.E has latest aerial and ground technology...
So now neither does israel has numerical or technological edge.

Can israel survive a joint strike now? Most likely No

Similar stuff will happen to SG , SG will not have any technological edge as the region progresses as a whole. Can Singapore survive a joint strike ?
Yes (due to indonesia having 4 latest SU-30 and poorly maintained F-16 jets
and M'sia having 8 F/A-18 , lesser den 30 MIG-29s and lesser then 30 SU-30)

Can Singapore survive a joint strike in the future? When technology is at par
and the human factor comes in? and numerical advantage nevetheless.....
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I am a serving NCC CLT.I must say that not only do u lack common sense,u do not even bother to get ur facts rite.The 1st F-15 was only delivered to the USAF in 1974,way after the Yom Kippur and Six-Day wars have ended.No way Israel could have gotten them as u have said.Your babbling is embarrassment enough to the Corp;not bothering to check your fact juz shows how irresponsible u are.

chunyong SG

we will send in a squad of Predators cloaked, use the plasmacasters to wipe out the base defences then bomb up the astros.

pptarpon SG

Yo, I was a AFV driver, done “alot” of water ops myself. Getting sick of it. 10 of it.

Johnston SG

Wow, i didn't know an NCC kay-det had higher authority than the following:
CDF
Minister of Defense
President

And so on, and so on.

I wonder does he even know where the key SAF HQ is.

"only then i will give my approval".

Johnston SG

I fail to see how and why the IDF would be afraid of a 122mm MRL system when the Russian have MRLs all the way up to 300mm.

Besides , the Katushu dates from WWII.

Johnston SG

And as for MRL and their maximum effective indirect fire range: here is a rough guide.

122mm BM-21 = 32.7 km
220mm Uragan =35 km
300mm Smerch = 70 km
300mm ASTROS =90 km

SibeiSuayKia SG

i stay near SAF hq in gombak....don't tell anyone shh

esesce SG

Stop talking cock & pretending to be some expert with ties to the top military brass when you've not even done your NS yet. Ur just making a clown of yourself! Rolling Eyes

RuffRider SG

I'm sure after his two yrs of NS, his ideas would change. Battles are not fought on paper, and based on who has more fire power on paper. A good plan by a good leader with average to mediocre troops definitely has a better fighting chance than a poor leader with bad plans and superior troops. History will atest to that.

Just a little advice, if ur still in NCC, though u might THINK u know a lot, try not to present urself in such a proud manner. There are many of us here who have served and seen a lot, and from different persepectives. Paper war and real ops are very different. Just because someone has the equipment doesn't mean they know how to utilise it to its optimum result. Maintenance and spares are another factor nobody ever puts on paper.

SibeiSuayKia SG

Originally posted by esesce:

Stop talking co[b]ck & pretending to be some expert with ties to the top military brass when you've not even done your NS yet. Ur just making a clown of yourself! Rolling Eyes [/b]

Got meh??

STAYING IN GOMBAK IS WRONG MEH???????????

tvdog SG

I didn't read all the previous posts on this thread so I don't know what the story is so far.

But here's my armchair general's 2 cents : )

SAF definitely has the capability to launch amphibious assaults, but exactly what scale I don't pretend to know.

But SAF is prepared for amphibious operations and most of us in infantry would've done at least a little training in it.

And amphibious operations will definitely be used by either sides if Malaysia and Singapore comes to blow. That's why in PDF we actively conduct excercises in coastal defence.

Singapore will definitely do amphibious assaults as Malaysia is a peninsula with a long coastline and they do not have enough troops to defend the every inch of it. So amphibious assault is a good option.

When we say amphibious operations don't think of D-Day or Guadalcanal as those were major assaults.

Singapore will use amphibious assaults probably as a flanking move. If intel points out a undefended coastline suitable for landing that will be where a secondary or diversionary or flanking assault would take place.

For example if we are fighting them across the causeway - whomever is invading whom - we can use coastal hooks to flank their main force and force them to divert troops. This would disrupt their rear or cut off their supply lines etc. You can imagine all the scenarios where this would be useful.

Amphibious assaults have often been successful as coastlines are usually too long to be completely defended. But for Singapore someone pointed out correctly we do not have the capability of making this the main thrust.

Airborne is not an option for main thrust as we all know very well how precious few airborne troopers we have. And big scale airborne ops are more costly and have an even smaller chance of success than big scale amphibious ops. Look at WW2 for examples.

In airborne ops it is more difficult to ferry in heavy equipment like tanks and arty as the equipment, ammo (for arty) and crew are dropped separately. (My guess-ti-mation.) After dropping the crew would have to find their tank and if they don't find it in time all is lost.

Whereas if an LST successfully lands a tank on the beach it is immediately able to fight its own way up.

This aside, apparently Malaysia has a much larger airborne capability than we do, according to some sources. But if our air-defences are still intact we'll slaughter them even before cross the Johore Straits.

RuffRider SG

Staying in Gombak is definitely ok, however by stating u're next to SAF HQ, u are inferring that u have links or ties or understadings or some sort. If u weren't trying to infer that, then why bring it up? In normal conversations it would not matter, however, in context of this subject of discussion, it would be otherwise.

tvdog SG

The Arabs conducted a spectacular amphibious assault on Israel launching the Yom Kippur War.

21Alpha SG

Errr....I wouldn't call it an amphibious assault; call it a bloody big RCO would be more correct.

esesce SG

EXACTLY!! Time & time again, he has tried to impress ppl by claiming that he knows this person or he has access to that info & even tries making himself sound so great by saying trash like "how many pre enlistees do you know who know as much as me". That is when he's not busy thinking that what works in Red Alert will work in real life.

Eh little boy!! Don't talk so much. Finish your NS first, then come & talk. Rolling Eyes Even those lao jiao he don't talk big. And you who have not even done one day of BMT want to talk as if you are capable of becoming the CDF. Lampah!! Hand the reins of control of SAF to you & the SAF will collapse within 48 hours!!

SibeiSuayKia SG

diao .. u know what is TALKING COCK...

crap siah..

Regarding amphibious assault...

1. Tensions has to come first..

2. Secret mobilization....

3. Scrambling of air force to defend the skies

4. Alot of communications..

Alot of stuffs has to be happen in order for amphibious assault to happen...
The above will happen only IF...we strike first..

If they strike first.. with ASTROS and 18 SU-30 in the sky...on our landing strips...

We will lose alot..especially we need 4 hours to repair..

4 hours is enough for them to return home..come back and re-arm..

Guess E2-C hawkeye have to work everyday =/

IF i were malaysian CDO , i wouldn't wanna land my troops in singapore..
rather i would use jernas + astros and fire ..to protect it from APACHES..
and F-16

(The reason why i wouldn't land my troops in singapore because it's stupid..
defense is pretty strong..)

with the malaysian commandos , i will protect the astros by establishing a safe perimeter of 10km..

MIG-29 i use it to protect skies..SU-30 for attacking...then i would use F/A-18 to chiong CNB/TNB

You all might say there's a E2-C Hawkeye....do you all know that there's a vulnerability with the E-2C hawkeye? ...

To counter it, i would use a civilian disguised 747 and fire a soviet missile at it..so the base wouldn't be alerted..

Do note that apache is very vulnerable to air-air engagements..
and RPG..

So if the above malaysian strategies happen , just like WWII when japan initially bombed singapore..

Then the only option left would be the army..the decisive factor..
so i would use the chinook and airlift the LSV inside to kill the ASTROS
(of course not within the range of JERNAS)

How would i do it?? i will use the amphibious bionic IFV to counter the commandos ..

Within the 10km perimeter..i will use the IFV..but must be prepared for a fight..
The apaches i would send them to counter the commandos as well..

with the commandos gone..

I will equip my guards with matador..and attack the jernas and secure the astros..and point it back at them..

With the initial destruction of PVs and stealth ships..

Repair the TAB and SBAB.. use the F-16 with harpoons to attack the enemy navy..

With the NGF...we strike some key areas..

Johnston SG

Big deal.
So i stay in town, near to the Istana.
Does that mean i can pick up the phone and get the President on the line?

So let us say for instance that SAF HQ is in MINDEF.
Does staying near there give you any command privileges?
I challenge you here and now to state the extensions for any member of the 4th floor or 5th floor.

If you cannot, B2 will also suffice.
You cannot possibly know what lies in B2 of MINDEF.

"only then i will give my approval".

Wow. So if we have to use any nuclear devices, the President will have to call you and ask "MR NCC CADET, can i use nuke?"

Johnston SG

"amphibious bionic IFV "
Wow, we have an bionic IFV.

EVERY helicopter is vulnerable to air-to-air engagements. last i saw, the Apache could be outfitted with Stinger, and Hinds with AT-6s. Both are good to shoot down other helos, but not against a radar guided missile.

*chuckles*
I bet before matador was unveiled, he didnt know beans about it.
now he's going on and on about it.

Mr SBSK, do you have any idea where the Apaches are based?
Or for that matter, our Primuses?
What is the title for the agency that has the power to call out the standby force?

SibeiSuayKia SG

Erm for security reasons..

Of course, it's in U.S.A den towards SBAB...

Primuses are located in somewhere in singapore, near johore =)

Primuses are very accurate, but somehow out-ranged by ASTROS =/

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