China's Aircraft Carriers

sgdiehard SG

China also do not have experience in operating planes from carriers, especially taking off and landing at night in rough weather conditions. China probably need their navy to project forces in the south china sea, and at the most to the indian ocean to protect its sea lanes for crude oil imports. Use of airfields from Burma, Thailand, Vietnam will stretch the range of their planes by a long distance. There is really no need for china to use carriers.

tvdog SG

US carrrier battlegroups can strike China at will. This is the only thing that currently keeps Chinese defence people awake at nights thinking up all sorts of ways to counter such a threat.

China still has no effective means to counterattack the US carrier battlegroups until they get within striking range.

The US has also successfully surrounded China with hostile pro-US countries like Taiwan, Japan and S Korea.

China currently have no way to similarly threaten the US mainland as a deterrence against US attacking China, without resorting to the nuclear option.

It is a checkmate situation and is like the old days when China got raped by Britain and Japan because China had a crap navy and couldn't defend against seaborne invaders until they arrived.

China today is easily the 2nd most powerful nation on earth in terms of size, population and wealth. Yet her army is still relatively outdated and her airforce and navy worst than tiny Singapore's.

China gets no respect even regionally from people like the Filippinos, Vietnamese, Malaysians over issues like Spratlys cos China got a joke of a Navy. Taiwan and Japan thumb their noses at China over independence or other territorial issues because China cannot cross the sea and reach out and touch them. (In fact, China's plan for invading Taiwan depends largely on airborne troops - a costly and ineffective way.)

That China does not need carriers is not true. That carriers are too costly for China is also not entirely true - China is rich enough to find the funds when it feels ready to field one.

The only thing holding them back is the complete lack of experience - not just as carrrier operators but to lose its fear of the seas and become a proper sea-going nation. The other thing is the lack of anyone too eager to assist them apart from the Russians. But the people who have operated carriers successfully since WW1 aren't the Russians. It's the US, Britain, Japan and Germany.

SibeiSuayKia SG

Please...PLA 2.5 million army..

singapore 250,000 troops..10 TIMES..

U NEED TO KILL 10 TROOPS BEFORE U die hahahahaha..

good luck =D

unless we start to import chinese soldiers and ask them to defend singapore.

Hah, their airforce weaker? much tougher then SG , cause they are both upgrading using israeli avionics and stuff , was reported last time they had "Python" Missiles, if SG challenge china in terms of aviation industry...they can produce as many planes as we want..whereelse..
we have to ship using FOB terms during war time.

Their Soveremmy is nuclear armed. our stealth warships ain't

British carriers , furthest EVER MAJOR combat deployment othen then Iraq battles and cold war stuff, was the falklands war..only travelled not very far also

Germany's carrier oso didn't go around the world like what USA did.

Her airforce and navy quantity really really huge, only bad thing is that..
USA doesn't want any european or israeli to help them..

WIth "phalcon" awacs radar..

FiReDuKe SG

Eh…..the only German carrier I noe of is the WWII era’s Graf Zepplin which was nv completed,let alone put into service…..so how can the Germans have any experience in operating aircraft carriers?Far as I noe,the Japanese last operated aircraft carriers in WWII…..can that experience be relevant 2dae?

ray243 SG

yup, hardly any change…except for missiles, watch out for it, more acurrate and lethal, aircraft carriers is still more or less same use, sent out floating airbase to places that your own standard airfields and aircraft cannot reach without refuelling like USA to iraq.

|-|05| SG

read carefully lah

zhaozhilong SG

Yeah? How so?

storywolf SG

Have you even visited china before Sibeisuaykia ?
You are just a mountain tortise and just laughin from the well of the outside world which you didn't even know of !

I am now in shanghai now, can tell you they are not much behind the rest of the world. Most of the stuff is product in china .... If 2nd world war japan & US and produce air-craft carriers in 1940 , the current china definitely process more advance technology then the 1940+ japan or US.

Don't you know china because of cheaper labour cost , a lot of ship building and repairs have been shift here.

By the way the clothes and shoes, you have there is a very high chance of them make in china too, so you better not walk out, for they may fall apart and leave you nude in the streets.

storywolf SG

TVdog what make you think china army, airforce and navy is outdated !!!

China was army, navy and airforce was indeed outdated but that was 12 year ago !!! What happen, was the gulf war woke them up, and they took avery ambitious plan to upgrade all. They copy from the west, buy tech from isreal and others. Now they have is a modern fighting force.

Take a look at the modern published chinese defense magzine, or some of the TV series which showcase some of their hardware, and you see the huge progress they have make in modernization of their forces.

tvdog SG

Storywolf>

I live in Shanghai, too.

And I saw a lot of the modern stuff you referred to on Chinese TV.

There are modern stuff, but precious little of it. That's what I meant by "relatively outdated". In relation to China's size and China's huge armed forces, whatever modern equipment they have is simply not sufficient. And when you consider that their potential enemy is the US, you see the problem.

Less than half of China's fighter aircrafts can be considered modern.

Singapore's missile corvettes and stealth ships are more modern than anything they have. The Chinese Navy is defintely WAY behind the US.

SibeiSuayKia SG

sorry my levi's jacket made in philipines ^^

my bag? made of leather in australia.

my shirt ? made in SG

My laptop?
made in japan.

SibeiSuayKia SG

Nonono, your wrong actually haha,
They spent almost billions of dollars on 1 navy vessel..

Our stealth ship is cheaper.

how could ours be better?

storywolf SG

Check your shampoo, toliet paper , toothpaste and toothbrush too !!! If not your teeth or hair or even asses will fall off !

storywolf SG

By the way, please kindly provide facts to china spending billions of dollars on 1 navy vessel !

Maybe it is another of SBSK nonsense new report that is based on anything but fact.

storywolf SG

Too little maybe now if they against US. But they are already turning around, give them another 5 years. If 1/2 of china figthers is modern - that is consider not bad....... that be around 750 - 1000+ which is consider a lot already.

SibeiSuayKia SG

please lor..china report that there is about less then 100 SU-30 ordered from Russia, unless u consider the J-10 as advanced fighter jet.

Define what is "ADVANCED"

Even Aegis Vessel costs US more then $1 billion USD.

That soveremmy vessel is nuclear equipped with missiles

Much better then singaporean made in ST jurong leh

http://www.taiwansecurity.org/TT/2002/TT-020502.htm

it mentions that it costs over US 1.5 billion.

convert into sgd..= billions liao Laughing

Hidden^OnE SG

Let's see...

China have 36 Su-27SK, 40 Su-27UBK, about 50+ J-11 side to be build, 76 Su-30MKK and 28 Su-30MKK2. They are licensed to build another 150-200 of the jets. China is said to build Flankers with better fit and finish due to better machinary of western origin. China have also broke a restriction on their aircraft design with the WS-10A, a turbofan based on the AL-31F. The AL-31F is the powerplant of both the J-10 and J-11, and by being able to have a 'domestic' engine, things will be easier.

The chinese Soveremmy class are definitly not nuclear-equipped, but they are brought to counter the US carrier fleet, that is for sure.

At the same time, the chinese have built 4 new detroyers for fleet air-defense, 2 of them having phased-array rader system similar but definitly inferior to the 'Aegis' system and VLS missile.

How ever those are the just a small modern part of a huge obsolate army that is undergoing huge change. I would definitly not say their ships will fall apart when it go to sea.

Many companies(Japanese included) are moving their operation over to China. If say I'm using a 'Made In China' television of a Japanese brand and the television exploded, I would blame the Japanese company for bad QR.

I had a bicycle rear light same model of a Japanese brand. 1 is made in japan and the other is made in china. Both spoilt after same times. I dun blame the country where it's from! I blame the bloody light company!

tvdog SG

Maybe one can use Shanghai to get a feel of what the PLA as a whole is like.

Shanghai is a city with one foot firmly in hte past and the other one taking a huge stride forward. The infrastructure of the city in certain parts is very very modern. But largely still old fashioned.

Same with the people. There are a lot of very trendy, smart (mostly) young people but most of the older generations of 40 and above are as old-fashioned as you can imagine. The gulf is very big between old and new.

Most grew up with no private phone lines to individual mobile phones. Most went from no VHS player straight to DVD. Therefore they are modern in a sense but skipped many steps.

So I imagine the PLA is like that, too. Sure there are some modern bits here and there but for the large part, still out of date.

SibeiSuayKia SG

Their moskit sunburn missiles can be nuclear equipped..

They are bought to counter the U.S.A fleet, but somehow..
U.S.A has much and many more ships compared to China..

when usa make planes..they got by THOUSANDS...

F-15...over 1.5k of it was made..

zhaozhilong SG

Yes. USA.
But why are you so proud of stuff owned by other people?

Is it fashionable to talk smack to China, by comparing China to USA?

It's like Microsoft's office cleaning lady saying this to Steve Jobs:" Hey dumbo, I look down on you, because my boss is Bill Gates. "

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