ASEAN vs CHINA

SibeiSuayKia SG

coughs..

ive just read a defense magazine and it said china has obtained..

100 SU-30 from Russia..

The reason why China can fight us or taiwan is that it has 1 hell of a aircraft industries with license to manufacture the SU-27..(even though some of it is soviet stuffs and modified with chinese technology)

China is also smarter to purchase more israeli missiles and installing more systems made by them.

go scramble.nl

and take a look of those airforces in asia..

add them all up..

in comparison..you add up the amount of joint training and exercises
conduct between each other..

And you have to see whether the airbases got good support facilities to help each other out etc.. and good weapons like AIM-9X and AIM-120

Combined ASEAN forces will still fail , cause those northern countries in ASEAN
are third world country...

Probably if Taiwan join it help might balance , but temporary period cause China has a damn huge hinterland..even Japan during WWII only ate less then half of china

The only planes which ASEAN has which poses a threat to PL-AAF is F-16 C/D and SU-30 technology above

But when enemy has quantity and quality over you, it's a definite lose.

"The current modernization at the Air Force is visible in many aircraft programs. Delivery of J-11 Air Defence Fighter (licence build Su-27SK)and Su-30MKK Multi-Role Fighter continues, with upgrades of the older versions already being introduced.
New front-line airplane programs include the J-10 fighter that obtained operational status in 2003 and the FC-1 lightweight fighter that had its first flight in 2003." extracted from scramble.nl..

it shows the present airforce modernisation , don't forget china's gdp is over a trillion now..

See , quite alot of information as well

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight

China is no longer the china 20 years before..which you all say..
OI so backward,like kampong or xiang sia...

China also has some mid air-air refueling tankers..

you compare lor

http://www.scramble.nl/cn.htm

just take a look at the picture..
and see how many bases china has...

even if 1 base contain 10 plane..also very strong liao

They got unlimited resources and they wanna build how many also no problems..

SibeiSuayKia SG

And don't forget..2.5 million army..just walk inside ur country u die..ler..

2.5 million army out of 1 .3 billion is also less then even 0.5 % of the whole population...

the only way to make china a non-threat....IS..

to remove the communism, and cause an internal topple.

No, you can't attack and topple the communist regime in China like what you did in Iraq..

Just send some democractic forces into the CCP government..
and change it into Democracy ^^

Give China 20 more years and u will see..

PLN- SUN YAT SEN(aircraft carrier) outside Los Angeles harbor

storywolf SG

Sorry to boy, carrier groups so what ?

Sorry to tell you boy, you got your information wrong, a lot of countries like singapore have F16s more advance then USAF, it is common know fact, there are system out there that are more advance then US ones, like from isreal.

So what a carrier group ? with combine attack of missile boats, subs and airplanes ,think the carrier group also have more than it can handle.

storywolf SG

When you became as dumb as him !!! if he know a lot , he will not be talking nonsense.

LazerLordz SG

Interesting scenario.Let's put things into perspective here...

If we take the cream of ASEAN's air forces,e.g RSAF F-16C/Ds Block 52(Israeli mods), RMAF's MIG-29Ks, F/A-18E/Fs, RTAF's F-16A/Bs, and their respective naval platforms, e.g RSN's Delta-class frigates, RMN's Lekiu-class frigates.We may be able to sting back, but only if we have a comprehensive and coherent logisitical backbone that can really integrate our armed forces into a networked force.If you include Australia into the picture, things might change a little, becuase of the entrance of the Collins-clas subs , which are one of the deadliest diesel electric subs this side of the world currently...Many people fail to realise that the Straits of Malacca is a trap for any bluewater navy when faced with a littoral force that has been operating here for decades.

LazerLordz SG

Correct.Rafael Armaments and Elbit have done wonders to US-made aircraft for decades, F-15s included too.

SibeiSuayKia SG

hah. MALAYSIAN and INDO navy hab problems fight pirates let alone navy aircraft carriers.

NO,storywolf u are bluffing yourself. our F-16's are not comparable to USA stuff coz alot of technologies are not sold to us..

USAF's F-16 definitely is better ..

Take this analogy.

Man A who is a butcher...manufactures and sell knives.. Man B purchases the knives and uses it to cuts the meat..

But do you think Man A will sell to Man B , one of the best knives he is using
or would he just sell Man B , some of the 2nd graded knives.

Go figure.

storywolf SG

With all those airplanes , operating from different bases it will give the carrier group no end of risks. If can co-ordinate to attack, with planes, missile boats and subs, it will sure to overload the defenses of the carrier group.

sgdiehard SG

Relative to the starter of the thread who cannot even compared singapore armed forces with the PLA, SBSK knows a lot. People who have information but are unable to analyse and draw sensible conclusion can talk nonsense; those who know but cannot differentiate the difference between right or wrong may also talk nonsense; those who think knowing a lot will not talk nonsense is talking nonsense (how much is a lot); those whose ideas you disagree may also be deemed to speak nonsense (by you);.....open your mind and accept different opinion!!

ray243 SG

hmm…would it be better if we recive help from austraila,british and japan…would we stand a chance then, and dun forget guys, I sate the invasion is happening in 2012, that means the whole S.E.A may improve and hopefully many third world can become stronger, but considering how much china can also improve, ... I think only USA can stop them…

SibeiSuayKia SG

hehe, U.S.A won't try to stop them.

U.S.A and China economies more and more intergration..

in case u dun know...those toys in america and america's war uniform are all outsourced to China ^^ Laughing

ray243 SG

japan? britain??

SibeiSuayKia SG

Britain?? HHAHA..

don't forget how they lose singapore to the japanese during WWII

reinforcements come so late...only some troopers landed in Burma..

British warships need many weeks to reach China..
travel to the bottom of spain..towards italy..near mediterranean..
down to suez canal..after oman...away from india..
towards malacca straits...to south china sea...

FINALLY reach. But too bad , foreign intelligence knows the ship is there..
ka boom.

so far also very tough to deploy SAS..

British also don't have alot of aircraft carriers , but those helicarriers which doubles as VTOL carriers for harrier II , again..harrier II loses out with SU-30's air superiority.

Japan?

SDF doesn't allow JAPAN to declare war . Only when China invades Japan
then allowed to fight back.

USA forces in Japan might strike China , it's too tough to invade inside China...

If i should say, India doesn't really have the strength to match with China in terms of aerial arms cause China is decomissioning the MIG-21 and India is still planning to keep it..

And Russia is no longer mighty USSR..

So , i wouldn't say much now.

China needs just a few more years to get it stuffs right..

What do u think?

Cambodia, Laos,Thailand , Vietnam really if add up and use viet cong tactics
might win.

i think all combined also cannot match up to taiwan's air power

The good thing is that...they act as a buffer zone...

India AF the capabilities AS at now is most or less equivalent to RSAF ..
after analysing some of the data..

alot of the growing super-powers..all

LazerLordz SG

Have you not heard of Japan attempting to get a permament seat on the UN Security Council?They will have to revoke one of their articles in their post-war Constitution to re-arm, because being a SC member has this requirement.

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