Malaysian opinions on Defending the Lion City

last SG · 2004-09-26T14:40:40+00:00

The only people who can make all these funky statements about how Singapore cannot make it or its conscripts can't fight haven't fired a weapon or trained in...

RussianPower SG

Huxley should write about the malaysian armed forces then.

sbst275 SG

Later he kena whack for being bias

RussianPower SG

why should be afraid? he's an academician, not a singaporean politician.
you've never been whacked by an examiner on your thesis before? huxley should be no stranger to that.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Lol, tripwire sure has a way of arguing. Laughing

Its never good to be underestimating the opposition, even if you're confident of your own capabilities.

Not that I'm proud of what that book was about but if Mr Huxley felt that there's substance to write about something he'd have done that by now.

SibeiSuayKia SG

omg , wonder what he will write on the MAF..

the only thing..he can say is prolly

"You call that a Armed Forces??"

Our few hundred + A4-SU , which we have junked..is the same as AE86..
once modified with turbo engine and super radar might also work well

Guess those m'sia dudes don't watch singapore national day and see how powerful the bomb burst formation is..

Taking into account 3 F-16 in proportion to 5 A4-SU...

Aniwae , MIG-29 may be good , but leh , Singapore Armed Forces is trained to fight Enemies from all sides, we singaporeans do take WAR seriously , cause we wanna fight for our lives and our families..

And what do u all fight for?

Tell you what, We SG are small and we have been eying your land for a long time ^^ Very Happy

Guess we gonna take over some m'sia land...to hold as a buffer zone..

(With our economic power , as a financial hub , i think we got alot of power to make m'sia slip into a financial crisis by selling away the riggit reserves
and manipulating with economics)

So , in any way , don't play around...

Hinting to you all ..we got MUCH MORE F-16s , then all your MIGS,SU-30 and F/A-18 combined..

SAF is built to withstand damage and from 2 sides , both sides should exercise restraint though , I still don't see why Singapore , which is trained by a country which survived so many wars and holocaust ,and intergrating the war elements, with cutting and leading edge technology can't beat a country with a much larger population

And btw, our F-16 C/D aren't the F-16 C/D you see, it has Elbrit and IAI modifications and help , also with the aid of ST AeroSpace...

Its similar with the same analogy as malaysia buys a proton perdana v6

singapore uses a mitsubishi evolution which we bought , only thing different is we add a ferrari engine inside.

paperchicken SG

If we really fight a war, there will be no winners. Both will be losers. Rolling Eyes

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Hence the importance of diplomacy in our defence context but some people just cannot accept this fact.

gary1910 SG

To be honest, nothing interesting to write about unless he want to write some sarcasm! Laughing

For example in the early 80's , MY decided to build up a mechanized forces( after more than 10 years since we have our mechannized forces), so they ordered & bought Sibmas 6x6 wheeled & Condor 4x4 wheeled APC for the main mechanized forces and a small amount of Scorpion and Stomer for recon role in the same time frame.

The Scorpion and Stomer are ok but the Sibmas & Condor were bad buys, the reason is that both veh are wheeled which has a very high ground pressure which will be easily mired in our tropical rain forest. In fact, the Condor was so bad that it was reported that it could only operate in limited way by MAF!!!! Laughing

Now the next bad buy, the A-4. They bought 88 2nd hand upgraded A-4 from the US surplus stock and delivery started in 1985.

This was heavily critcised by some military analyst as a bad buy becos it was considered to have a limited useful lifespan for the A-4 .

Three years after the deliveries the A-4, TUDM anounced in 1989 that they were going to withdraw from service and replaced by British Aerospace Hawk Mk 298s in late 1994 with less than 9 years of svc. Laughing

In fact , some of the upgraded A-4 after delivered were never sent back to MY but stored in US and were later scrapped !!!!

Next bad decision is of course the zoo collection of TUDM, Mig29, 8 F/A-18 & Hawks that were bought at the same time.

This was also heavily critcised by some military analyst becos of the small number of three type of a/c which created such a logistic nightmares for TUDM which in fact most of Mig-29 were grounded due to spares shortage in the first few years of svc.

Even now , the Mig 29 is still have bad availability record becos of the short lifespan of the russian engines.

Now they are adding more a/c type into the force namely SU-30 and the return of F-5, that means they will be operating five type of fighters b4 the end of the decade, the zoo is expanding !!!! Laughing

Next is of course the Condor replacement, they bought 110 KIFV from South Korean for UN operation. Then they bought 211 Nurol ACV-300 from Turkey.

Both KIFV & ACV-300 are variant of UDLP(formerly FMC) AIFV, upgraded variant of M113. They look the same but both type are using different powerpack. the ACV-300 uses US powerpack whereas the KIFV uses German powerpack!! Another logistics nightmare!!!!

Next is the MBT selection, two of the shortlisted were the Ukraine T-84 and the Polish PT-91.

Among the two, T-84 is of course a better MBT, T-84 is the upgraded T-80UD of USSR, the PT-91 is upgraded "Monkey" model T-72M1.
( They are called monkey model( export model) becos of poorer armour as compare to the Russia's own T-72 variant)

The T-84 is of better armour protection as well as with the latest K-5 ERA whereas the PT-91 is of poorer armour as well as the older ERAWA-1 ERA.

In fact, MY has actually chosen the T-84 over the PT-91 but eventually called off becos the Ukraine do not accept palm oil as payment!!!! Laughing

So if Huxley were to write about the malaysian armed forces, it would be with many sarcastic remarks than praises!!!

|-|05| SG

it's all inter twined......

paperchicken SG

I think Huxley never draw the conclusion that SG will definitely win a war with Malaysia although he did point out that we do hold an edge over them despite our smaller size and population.

We will never know the outcome till the day we actually fight.

For now I think we shd keep the peace and stop this pointless discussion.

epImetheus SG

maybe our Infantry?
Mr. Green

Dr Who SG

If Singapore loses, you will live under Bumi rule.

If Singapore wins, you will be spitted upon every time you encounter a Malaysian. Meanwhile, resistance forces will spill NS man's blood everyday in the kampongs, like in Iraq.

As for me, I will run away to Australia and start life anew......

paperchicken SG

....... and live in Aussie refugee camp. Laughing

snk86 SG

well, i qoute domingo chavez(created by Tom clancy),

diplomacy is a country f**king another.

Well, guess for malaysia and singapore, we have already completed the karmasutra!

gary1910 SG

That's right. MY's gunboat diplomacy regarding the oilfield dispute with Brunei just last year, I think.

If you r weak , you will be push around, that's reality.

If you r strong, you will at least deter war from happening.

After our independance, MY thought that they could push us around becos we did not have strong armed forces and becos they could threaten to cut off our water supply.

But in 1969, we paraded our AMX-13 tanks during NDP to show MY in particular that we are no pushover. LKY were even reported to threaten to invade Johore if our water supply is threaten.

One thing, MY know that we will not start a war unless we are threaten, becos SAF is a mainly conscripts army, therefore our economy will be in a total standstill due to all able men will be involved in the war.

Thus having a strong SAF has actually prevent situation above from happening.

dragonstar SG

I think many of us here in the forum are not dismissing MYs capabilities outright, and over-estimating ourselves.

Personally, I think that the trend of responses reflects our desires to defend our pride and in the process, fluffing out things a little on our side and slamming things a little :-) on MYs side.

storywolf SG

Just read the article posted by the Malaysian Author.

How out dated is the author information. Also his knowledge on weapons system is total questionable.

I like the part which he kept saying Singapore stuff is outdated, oh Malaysia is getting new one, better one ..... yes getting, in future .... sometime later......

Well the author fail to consider , when their new stuff comes in, possible Singapore will be getting something newer.

bcoy SG

Actually, the book by Tim Huxley on the SAF is only one book of a series. There are other books on other armed forces of the asia-pacific region by the same publisher. I have some of them. (Singapore, Indonesia, China)
The one I'm waiting for is the book on the Malaysian Armed Forces. The authors will be Joon-Num Mak and Russ Swinnertion - NOT Tim Huxley.
Its been several years and still no sign of that book being publish. Other books I'm waiting for are Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan and Australia.

esesce SG

Reminds me of China. Forever boasting about how they are getting new stuff & how their new toys will enable them to "swiftly" take over Taiwan by force if necessary. But they forget that Taiwan & US are always constantly getting new stuff. Rolling Eyes

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

New stuffs, bad tatics, what's the point?

The most powerful computer is the one between our ears.

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