I'm sorry it have to be this long.
One can have plenty of reasons for not 'enlisting' and yet can
remain sympathetic to the cause of an organization. I do thing one
can do much more damage by keeping quite than by picking up an
assault rifle.
And if you're talking about condemnations, it's been awfully quite
in the papers. The pictures of celebrating Palestinians after 9/11
were some contradiction. And some of Arab's editorial staff was not
sorry to see the beheading, saying it's payback for Abu
Garib.
If by division in religion you meant the occult, where the
teachings of a religion was twisted to suite one's purpose, then of
course there are examples aplenty. However, to re-interpret a
religion in such a way as to encourage mass killings and
indiscriminate killings, no I've not really read any. Unless you're
talking about the Middle Ages, then yes. And these Muslims are the
lost souls, as you have asserted, then anyone who failed to correct
such wayward thinking have to share the blame. How can they know of
such a sickness and not do anything to correct it? If there are
lawyers out there, do we call such persons accessory to murder in a
homicide case?
For the claim of Zionist lobbyist have excessive influence in
America, maybe it's true or maybe it's not. Repeating it umpteen
times in the mainstream media does not make it true. It might be
Holocaust guilt or, more likely money, but it seem to be take as
the gospel truth without any prove. Maybe you can try reading a
piece in the ST and have a second opinion. I know it's Shit Times,
but still, some things are worth spending your 10minutes for.
Insufficient media coverage on Palestinian's sufferings? Remember
the killing of the boy and his father in the crossfire? It was
captured and broadcast to the world. And if you watch western
documentaries enough, there are actually a rather reasonable amount
of Palestinian footages. Funny how people's memory suffers and can
blame and applause the same tool in a similar situation. And it's
my belief that there can never be objective coverage in any given
situation, unless you're an ET.
Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion; terrorist: adjective or noun. With this definition, how
can one call an organization anything else if its modus operadi is
terror?
They hijack planes (Hamas split from PLO, I think), blow up planes,
kill hostages etc. And the label terrorist has been used since the
80s, when the shooting started. They might be your freedom fighters
but the fact remains that the kill innocent and engage in
undeclared combat and is from irregular outfit. Any even if you're
from regular outfit in declared war, the belligerent can execute
summarily if they caught enemy soldier, in plain cloths behind
their line. (remember the Saigon police killing the NVA spy in
Vietnam War). Incidentally, there are also footages of hostage
killing, hijacking and beheading, if you're interested.
You seems to imply, near the end of your posting, that it's okay to
retaliate, even if you use terror means and your avow purpose is to
destroy a nation state that is created by the UN, when said state
seek your destruction by playing your own game. It means you see
yourself as morally right and can, therefore, play outside the rule
where the UN created state have to play by rules of conventional
combat sit there and take it? Maybe you can explain it better but
my logic certainly can't. Disparity in armaments is no reason to
slaughter civilians. If that's the case, maybe we can raise Gandhi
and let him arbitrage. In any case, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh
should not be around. And I think is childish and non-constructive
to say one can do no wrong as long as one walk around with a big
stick.
I think we can agree that to get out of the current situation, the
Middle East problem will at least have to be iron out to deny
ammunition to the terrorist. And let not engage in word play, too,
because they truly are terrorist. I would further suggest that one
should not be blind to the real problem by embracing the Muslim
Brotherhood concept. One should be rational and not clouded by
emotion when faced with an emotive issue. Easier said than done,
but will have to be done nonetheless. And one should also remember
one's national allegiance and geographical peculiarities. One can
only fulfilled one's religious obligations when one national
obligation is place in the first place. Maybe Islam has similar
teachings. I stand corrected.
Just a thought, do they Muslim executioners utter prayers, as they
do when they slaughter livestock, when they killed the
hostages?
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Let me tell you something , if many or most of us believed that
they are matyrs , we would have gone to "enlist" ourselves . A
simple explanation based on logic . I think all of us would
whole-heartedly agree that one cannot call himself a follower of a
religion if he doesn't follow the basic rules of the religion that
he claims to follow . The Islamic scholars all around the world
(esp. from Middle-East) , condemn the suicide bombings and killing
of innocent civilians by Al-Qaeda and other terrorist faction . The
muslims look up to these scholars as they are there to replace the
caliphs to lead the muslim people . Some of these terrorist
factions and organizations are formed up because some of these
muslims misunderstood or misinterpret the teachings of Islam . I
would like to remind you that most of the religions have divisions
in their religions . Some of these 'terrorist' groups like the
Hamas and the Fatah faction are labelled terrorist because the USA
said so . And why the USA said so ? . Because the Israelis said so
. The Americans have a very powerful weapon , not nukes , not the
tanks , not the ICBMs , not the cruise missiles , its the media .
You see , they have sucessfully blinded you people into seeing that
these terrorists are not muslims . Yes , i as a muslim am condeming
the suicide bombings in israel because they kill innocent civilians
. Of course you say , look at the sins of these "islamic"
terrorists , they kill innocent civilians . Again , the media
played a part in making you clearly see this but let me ask you a
few questions . " Did the media show you a Palestinian baby , child
or pregnant woman who died on a cold night in the desert deprived
of food and water just because the Israelis bulldozed their homes
?" . When the Israelis raids continually into the palestinian
territories and destroying buildings with helicopter gunships don't
you think it will just mean more retaliatory strikes to the israeli
land ? . Do you really think the israelis wants "peace" by raiding
again and again ? . I cannot deny the fact that the Israeli army is
mighty . Technologically they can beat Singapore in that on any day
. If hardware is to be compared between the Hamas and Fatah faction
against the Israelis , its like chalk and cheese , a worlds apart .
And the mighty army with nuclear strike capability cannot stop
these terrorists ? . Who are only armed with AKs and RPGs . What
airstrike ? . what artillery support ? . Slam only one sin that the
israelis have done and the world will be disgusted enough towards
the israelis . Oh no , i can't say this . There is no such thing
such as sins for the israelis right laurence ? . [/b][/quote]
