formidable can carry 128 VT-1?

tripwire SG

according to the below website... its stated that sylver launches could accomodate 4 VT-1 missile per launcher like the ESSM.

that would mean that the RSN formidable can carry a massive 128 VT-1 if all its launches are loaded with the VT-1.

plus the 24 mistral... that would comes in a massive 152 air and point defence missile on a single ship!

any comments??

http://mbox.hchs.hc.edu.tw/~military/navy/euronavy/aster.htm

tripwire SG

an example of the ESSM and various weapons using VLS.

PAAMS....

an ASTER30 on the fly..

an aster 15...

an aster 30...

Mr. Green [/img]

tripwire SG

this site gave the best review on the formidable FFG that i have come across so far... most interesting read....

http://mbox.hchs.hc.edu.tw/~military/navy/othernavy/delta.htm

tripwire SG

more pictures...

here is the picture of the ASTER 15 destroying a LIVE exocet AShM.

here is the picture of the ASTER 15 hitting a drone at high ECM environment.

the aster 15 is not armed... so no explosion.. but the direct impact on contact causes 2 gash marks which is visible on the drone caused by the "wings" of the ASTER 15.

tripwire SG

stats of the ASTER...

Aster 15
Primary Function: short and medium range anti-aircraft and anti-missile missile
Contractor: MBDA
Power Plant: solid propellant 2 stage rocket
Length: 4.2 m
Diameter: 18 cm
Wing Span: cm
Launch Weight: 310 kg
Speed: Mach 3; 1000 m/s
Warhead:
Range: 1.7-30 km
Altitude: 13 km
Fuzes:
Guidance system: telemetry uplink, terminal active radar homing
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed:
Users:
country aircraft-or-platform

Aster 30
Primary Function: long range anti-aircraft and anti-missile missile
Contractor: MBDA
Power Plant: solid propellant 2 stage rocket
Length: 4.9 m
Diameter: 18 cm
Wing Span: cm
Launch Weight: 510 kg
Speed: Mach 4.5; 1,400 m/s
Warhead:
Range: 3-120 km
Altitude: 20 km
Fuzes:
Guidance system: telemetry uplink, terminal active radar homing
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed:
Users:
country aircraft-or-platform

tripwire SG

more pictures...

the PIF-PAF

and the missile of course.

tripwire SG

now... i would like to ask for some help...

can anyone directs me to a website that has OFFICIAL report of the RSN FFG using the A43 sylver...

by OFFICIAL i imply either official sales report from MBDA, DCN or RSN or MINDEF.

alternative sites which is also accepted as official would include the JDW and some of the more respectable publishers like SIPRI.

thanks.....

Orcishwarrior SG

Probably you can drop by any national library which brings in janes defence weekly.As far as i know there are hardly any official report on the procurement.Virtually, none of the equipment acquisition which are suppose to be onboard is being officially spelled out by mindef.

Tripwire, astonishingly i didnt know that you are into naval warfare as well!!!

cutebug SG

2 thing I discover about the formidable class weapons.

1) There will be only 16 Aster15 when it arrived in Sg. Another 16 will be Aster30 when it will upgrade together with the harpoon around 2009.

2) The anti ship 8 missile will be Harpoon from the old missile gunboat. Many people expect Harpoon Block 2 but Sg had not buy any Harpoon Block 2. Singapore had buy ex-40 block 3 from french. Date delivery expect to be around 2009. It carry 24 ex-40 in anit-ship and anti-land role for formidable.

3) At the same time around 2009, an unnman vertical take off heli will also be intorduce.

This are the source that I gather from outside Singapore.

eurofighter SG

That sounds amazing and fantastic!

Originally posted by cutebug:
2 thing I discover about the formidable class weapons.

1) There will be only 16 Aster15 when it arrived in Sg. Another 16 will be Aster30 when it will upgrade together with the harpoon around 2009.

I believe the frigates are armed with Sylver A43 VLS and they are able to launch Aster 30.

2) The anti ship 8 missile will be Harpoon from the old missile gunboat. Many people expect Harpoon Block 2 but Sg had not buy any Harpoon Block 2. Singapore had buy ex-40 block 3 from french. Date delivery expect to be around 2009. It carry 24 ex-40 in anit-ship and anti-land role for formidable.

I thought each MGB only have 4 Harpoon SSMs. That may be insufficient to arm all frigates with 8 harpoons each.

3) At the same time around 2009, an unnman vertical take off heli will also be intorduce.

Firescout?

This are the source that I gather from outside Singapore.
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My two cents worth.

cutebug SG

In my conclusion, the first few ships that Sg will recived soon will not be in her full weapon capacity. It will fully arm only Sg recived all 6 in 2009. There is 3 resons I could think of.

Firstly, the 2 weapons Ex-40 block 3 and unarm heli will be ready in 2-3 years time.
Secondly, Sg do not want to provike it neighbour to start an arm race.
Thirdly, will be the cost. No doubt Sg is rich, the 6 ships is a big spend by SAF. SAF do not has the fund to fully equip it 6 ships yet. The 8 heli for the 6 ships has been reduce to 4 heli.

tripwire SG

Originally posted by eurofighter:
That sounds amazing and fantastic!

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My two cents worth.[/b]

can you provide me with an official link that the RSN really did equip its FFG with A43 sylver?

because i am getting very conflicting reports regarding this matter...

and furthermore... i find something rather odd...

i find the RSN's refusal to declare that its armed with aster15 upfront rather perculiar...

i mean... what is there to hide if we are simply armed with the aster15? with its range, it aint really that big a thingy,

why then did the navy refuse to annouce the actual variants of the aster the FFG would be armed? how many variants are available to begin with?

my suspicion is that... they are probably armed with aster30, but the range of that missile is gonna caused our neighbours to choke on their breakfast... yet at the same time.. we dont want to appear decietful... so end up with this kind of half half anoucement.

and with reference to my previous link from a website hosted by mbox.... its stated that the FFG would be equipped with only 2 sylver instead of the complete 4 sylver for the first few vessel...

why i wonder... the RSN dont simply armed with all 4 sylver? waiting for production delivery of A50 sylver or waiting for A70 sylver to come on line in 2009?

or simply no money? kinda odd.... i think this FFG got lots of secrets and the RSN is throwing out alot of wild leads to throw us off their track....

cutebug SG

Please read my previous post. It had answer most of your doupt.

tripwire SG

as much as i want to believe you... could you provide your source of information pertaining to your expectation of the FFG?

damienthedevil SG

I'm wondering where did cutebug got his information from . In Naval Technology Magazine, (I believe issue 10 or 11) , it was stated that Singapore, Korea, Taiwan, Egypt and Australia ( Not including Europe ) has purchased the upgraded kit for the Harpoon System to Block 2. The SG Navy did contemplated in buying the MM40 Block 3 during the early evaluation years. but with the advent of Boeing Harpoon upgraded kit, it is the logical choice in acquiring the upgrade kit due to SG large inventory of AGM84.

For the DELTA ASTER, it was indicated in SIPRI Yearbook that we are only getting the ASTER 15 with VLS 43. However ASTER 30 (JDW) is being considered for our I-Hawk 2 replacement in the far future.

eurofighter SG

Quote from 'Simon Tan' from ACIG

Curiously the Singaporeans are getting the mid length Slyver launch tubes in the original 22inch format. This mean they can load ASTER 30....but cannot load TACTOM like the RN will ahve on the Darings. The French are engineering SCALP Navale to the 22inch tube but theya re working on a 25-inch tube that is dimensionally indenctical to the Mk41 and can take things like ESSM quad-packs.

On the info of the aster 15 @ the naval technology webby

Pure DisInt on the ASTER 15. I was down in SG when they unveiled the Delta and had a very long chat with some of the Slyver design team. They're soft-pedalling the capabilities of the Delta boats.

tripwire SG

having purchased the upgrade kit for the harpoon does not imply that RSN has given up on the MM40 block 3... since we still have many ships like the MCV, fokker 50 MPA that still uses harpoon.

SIPRI yearbook may have listed the purchase of ASTER 15 and Sylver A43... but then SIPRI cannot possibly list the purchase of every item that SAF has bought.

tripwire SG

can check how many A43 sylver launcher and aster 15 missiles did we buy?

Fairyland SG

Won't the VT-1 need to 'turnover' after exiting from the VLS?

How is this achieve?

Does the VT-1 in a VLS have an add-on booster?

Is this tilt-over phase incorporated in the booster unit?

tripwire SG

i have read many of this guys post... in acig... kinda like a guy in the loop of things in MAF... many of his comments are critical of MAF... but then most of the malaysian forumners seems to accept his "first hand" information.

but unfortunately... that is just one person's word... hardly enough to go about declaring we have the ASTER 30 because a lone forumners said so in ACIG.

but i do agreed.. it could be a hint of the possibilities of ASTER 30 in RSN deltas....

coupled with the websites i provided... the smell is strong.. but still insufficient to stick a finger into it.... Wink

think we will have more information after the first 3 FFG is completed.....