LWSPH for SAF

laurence82 SG

I am not sure whether this has been posted b4, is SAF going to deploy LWSPH with the army, or its just for export purposes?

ditzy SG

Thats been in the design books for some time already. Still wondering if SAF going to use it.

tankee1981 SG

Maybe it will be bought for our Rapid Defence Force. I think we have a division dedicated to this RDF. Very Happy

laurence82 SG

I heard of murmurs it will be deployed with the Rapid Deployment Force aka 21st Div, but just want to know whether they are implementing it or just design one for export interests...

Confused

Groovee SG

ooo..nice looking........thingy~~ Mr. Green

CX SG

"nice" doesn't begin to describe... its heli-portable, fast, 155mm x 39 calibre gun, perfect shoot and scoot capabilities...

imagine... troops heli-inserting into enemy's territory can have artillery support almost immediate... we can already drop men and light strike vehicles... this is the missing link man!

no need to wait for freaking slow towed artillery to get in range, don't need to wait for armour, which is still road bound at any rate...

just secure your LZ and your arty comes by heli in no time flat... in the form of the small, fast, cute LWSPH...

so far, there's been no public domain info available confirming or denying whether saf is getting this platform... i sure hope they do... Mr. Green

I-like-flings(m) SG

ya just like lightstrike once they unhook it can be driven off..save alot of time and more fire power compare to air lifting the 120mm mortar...

gary1910 SG

I tot we have the Giat LG-1 Mk 1 105mm light guns for arty support for the RDF, even though they are not as powerful as well as LR as the LWSPH, but they will do the job as you described above.

eurofighter SG

Probably the 105mm guns still need to be towed into position by a vehicle. That's the difference.

gary1910 SG

No , the purpose that SAF get this 105mm light guns is becos it could be helo-borne like the UK105mm light guns that were used very successfully during the Falkland war.
That is why they in the RDF of SAF.

The LWSPH weight abt 7000kg whereas the LG1 only weight 1520kg.

The LWSPH need to be carried by a large Helo like the Chinook and for LG1 , you only need a medium Helo like the Super Puma to do the job.

CX SG

Originally posted by gary1910:
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No , the purpose that SAF get this 105mm light guns is becos it could be helo-borne like the UK105mm light guns that were used very successfully during the Falkland war.
That is why they in the RDF of SAF.

The LWSPH weight abt 7000kg whereas the LG1 only weight 1520kg.

The LWSPH need to be carried by a large Helo like the Chinook and for LG1 , you only need a medium Helo like the Super Puma to do the job.

LWSPH is self propelled. max speed is 50km/h or something... don't remember... the pdf brochure can be downloaded off the ST-kinetics web page.

thats the point... the LG 1 still needs to be towed... i don't fancy pushing the LG 1 away after firing it to avoid counter-artillery fire...

there's a great need for speed in the modern battlefield... u wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a bunch of Astros rockets if u don't siam fast...

gary1910 SG

I think I have already explain why SAF bought this gun, if it only to be towed to operate it , then what is the point of having it???
Afterall SAF have the longer range FH88 & FH2000 155mm towed gun with limited SP ability just like th LWSPH.

Below is the description on the LG1 :

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/artillery/giat_artillery/

105 LG1 MK II - THE ADVANCED 105MM NATO LIGHT WEIGHT TOWED GUN
The 105 LG1 Mk II is specifically designed for rapid deployment forces. Ruggedness, ease of operation and cost-effectiveness have systematically been given top priority. When operating, the 105 LG1 Mk II demonstrates unrivalled reliability, mobility, manoeuvrability and firepower. It is the ideal fire support weapon for troops active in all climates, even over the harshest terrain.

The 30-calibre 105 mm barrel is capable of firing all types of NATO standard ammunition (12 rds / min), including long range US M 913 / ERM1. The compactness of the weapon (1,520 kg) makes it easily makes it easily moveable via helicopter, aircraft and parachute. Its simple manning allows a reduced 5-man gun crew.

According to Janes , this gun could be ready to fire within 30 sec after been deployed by a Helo and ready to be towed away by a light 4x4 in 30 sec or helo borne again .

gary1910 SG

105 LG - The compactness of the 105 LG Mk II (1,520 kg) makes it easily moveable via helicopter, aircraft and parachute.

Below is the Brochure for the LG1.

http://www.giat-industries.fr/asp/us/pdf/us_esp_105lg1mk_01.pdf

Jazzswing SG

Since we’re in a topic about artillery..what model of MLRS does Malaysia posess and how effective are their counter-battery capabilities? Sources say they have little 155mm guns in their inventory.

gary1910 SG

Read abt MY's Astros 2 MLRS system from this thread:

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=65643

MY inventory:
18 A2 MLRS( but some say is 36)
9 Vickers FH-70 39/155mm
28 G5 45/155mm
Large qty of old & obsolete 105mm guns.
Latest rumour is that they are interested UK 105mm light guns for their RDF.

CX SG

well, it that's true, then its no wonder why SAF hasn't announced anything about wanting to buy it...

but 30 sec would be under the best conditions right? well... not familiar with the procedures that allows it to be towed away so fast...

anyway, the LWSPH is a damn nice design Mr. Green

gary1910 SG

Click the link for the brochure from the manufacturer,it claim to be below 30sec and even could operate by 3 crews in extreme condition.

As for the LWSPH, it will give longer range and the benefits of all standard 155mm round(cargo round ?) but it strategic mobility is limited to heavy lift helos and C-130.

LW 155mm gun is not only from SG , I think UK is developing something similar but I doubt it could be carried by a medium helo.

warspite SG

The UK has developed the 155mm UFH (Ultra Lightweight Howitzer), which has since been selected by the US Marines as the (X)M777. Total weight is about 4tons, thus can be airlifted by heavy helos, CH53, CH-47Chinook. Same category as our LWSPH, but need to be towed by trucks instead.