SAF COMMISSIONS LOCALLY-BUILT SELF-PROPELLED ARTILLERY

last SG · 2003-11-24T22:48:01+00:00

From a technical/design stand-point (again), we can achieve, and have already fulfilled, the fundamental elements of firepower and mobility in the class of v...

1roundaway SG

Hmmm, lemme try, its actually Project C*****N, right?

well, if i say 'wrong', then i'm lying, but if i say 'right', i may get into trouble. so, silence is the best policy. all i'll say is, i think we are on the same frequency... Wink

1roundaway SG

I don't believe Primuses are built to replace the SP Mortars.

how many SSPH-1 PRIMUS are we gonna get?

I bet its small enough to fit on the streets in urban areas.

i think people should move away from the mentality that the Primus was designed to replace the SP Mortars or other arty pieces (e.g. FH88 or 2000). Primus was built with one purpose in mind and it has got nothing to do with SP mortars, FH88/2000 or firing from urban areas.

How many? well, i don't think it is appropriate to discuss numbers/quantity here, but it's definitely not 110. Wink

Atobe SG

The new SAF Self Propelled Artillery looks similar to all other Self-Propelled Artillery with the standard 'BULKY' turret as seen in similar units manufactured by the other countries.

The bulky turret is to accomodate the huge gun, its recoil system, auto-loader, on-board ammo.

Above picture is that of the German PzH 2000 with a 155/L52 calibre gun with a range of 30km firing standard NATO rounds.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/pzh2000.htm

In all likelihood, the locally built SP Artillery piece will have a back door access for rapid resupply of ammo.

Picture shows a US M109 Paladin SP Artillery
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m109a6.htm

Interesting point to note will be the follow-on Logistics Supply Vehicle to carry the large load of ammo that will be needed to re-supply the voracious appetite of these SP Artillery units. (See Pic below)

PR China has its own Self-Propelled Artillery, and the picture below shows a Supply Vehicle transferring ammo to the SP Unit via an Auto-Link into the SP Unit.

PR China PLZ-45 SP Artillery with Auto-Loader Supply Vehicle

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/plz-45.htm

ChineseJunk SG

Hello 1roundaway,
Hrmmm..........Are we playing Wheel of Fortune? Let's see, may I have a vowel, please?

If u speak to the chappies who welded and painted the thing, they call it the A*****.

This is an open forum. No point playing word games.

Should I solve the puzzle? Or should I "carry on" (try saying that REAL fast) *nudge nudge*

r u going Thunder Warrior?

Moving on, the side profile of the Chinese Type 89 120mm anti-tank gun seems so similar to the Primus. I woke up this morning, looked at my Trumpeter 1/35 scale model of the Type 89 on my shelf and thought they look similarly angular.

This kit is quite nice, btw, it's got interior detail, engine plus transmission. Anyone made it too?

Atobe SG

If one consider the covers of the Drive Sprockets, seen on the front inner sides, as well as the access hatch at the front of these new Self-Propelled Artillery chasis, it resemble either the M113 or the BIONIX.

With ST Kinetics having invested quite a sum in its failed bid to develop a low profile BIONIX, so as to allow it to enter a Heavy Lift Transport Plane, this 'Low Profile BIONIX' will come in nicely to accomodate the design requirements of the Self-Propelled Artillery.

clarencebk SG

I wonder what’s that lock attached to the chasis in the front for? Most of the other SPH does not have that. Is the tube that heavy?

gary1910 SG

Now I am really confused , 1roundaway said :

yes, the M109 has a different engine and transmission, but the chasis is still the same... and yes, Primus shares the same transmission as Bionix.

and Dave/CJ said :

The SAF needed the Primus to weigh less than 30 tonnes and be no wider than 3m, for it to move across bridges and through vegetation here.

By April 2000, the first working prototype was rolled out, using a vehicle chassis adapted from the US Army's Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle and M109 self-propelled gun.

So what is what? anyone else?

I just checked thru the Spec of M109A6, it has a width of 3.149m, length of 9.804m & Primus has a width of 3m and length of 10.21m.
Since the engine & transmission is completely different & maybe even the track & suspension system as well since some of you guys think it look like the Bionix.

Therefore I would said that the Primus was based on chassis of a new design rather the original M109s but both are designed by UPLD.

CHARGE!!!

Atobe SG

That's a 'travel lock' used to hold the barrel in place during long distance travel, to prevent the barrel swaying 'side to side'.

This is common feature in all SP Units, as can be seen in the sketch of the US M-109 Paladin on the following site:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m109a6.htm

Also on the German PzH2000, with the 'travel lock' closer to the hull turret:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/pzh2000.htm

And the Russian 2 S-3M 152mm Self-Propelled Artillery
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/2s3.htm

China's Type 89 122mm Self-Propelled Artillery:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/type-89-sph.htm

Atobe SG

Originally posted by gary1910:
Now I am really confused , 1roundaway said :

So what is what? anyone else?

I just checked thru the Spec of M109A6, it has a width of 3.149m, length of 9.804m & Primus has a width of 3m and length of 10.21m.
Since the engine & transmission is completely different & maybe even the track & suspension system as well since some of you guys think it look like the Bionix.

Therefore I would said that the Primus was based on chassis of a new design rather the original M109s but both are designed by UPLD.
[b]CHARGE!!!

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Try the following ST Kinetics site to get all the specs to answer your questions concerning this new Self-Propelled Artillery for the SAF.

http://www.stengg.com/land/downloads/Primus%20Brochure%20PDF.pdf

warspite SG

Saw the video on the mindef website.
The figure for the 3 round burst is a bit reserved....at 3 rds/20sec.
Timed the 3 round burst on the video, it was more like 12~13sec.
Wink Smile

Fairyland SG

Ok, you have the SPH, the advanced data link, then 'rumors' with the Baz. So what's next?

MLRS I tot we have that already.......

SM 1 replacement???

IAF SG

Don't think we have MLRS...at least no mention of it in public domain. If we had it, i'm sure people would have spotted it. As most of us know, the raytheon MLRS was in consideration years ago but kinda dropped off the radar screen, perhaps too politically sensitive until malaysia's purchase of the astro. While devastating i think it is not as practical as a SPH cos' of the expensive rockets. (of course, there are always less expensive options like the south african valkiri 127mm or even the katushas)

As for the SM1...yeah, we could use a light tank replacement. Perhaps that's the next big thing coming up.. Cool

cavsg SG

maybe in 2004/5? NDP should be at padang again. time to display all those SAF hardware. New tank? bioxnix and primus

duotiga83 SG

i don't think so.....this chap need at least 10mths of training to operate it....... Confused

YourFather SG

err, advanced data link? What specifically are you referring to? For which service?

1roundaway SG

Are we playing Wheel of Fortune? Let's see, may I have a vowel, please?

If u speak to the chappies who welded and painted the thing, they call it the A*****.

This is an open forum. No point playing word games.

Should I solve the puzzle? Or should I "carry on" (try saying that REAL fast) *nudge nudge*

r u going Thunder Warrior?

Dear David, u must be watching too many game shows... the chappies who welded and painted the thing may call it A***** for all they care, what really matters is what the PMT calls it...

This may be an open forum, but some things are best left unsaid. if you know, you know. if not, 'carry on' with the word game Wink

let me give you another tidbit... TW is not my first LF on the SPH... Wink

The Real David Boey.... hee hee hee Mr. Green

1roundaway SG

Now I am really confused , 1roundaway said ... So what is what? anyone else?

Therefore I would said that the Primus was based on chassis of a new design rather the original M109s but both are designed by UPLD.

look gary, things are really simple. go take a first-hand look at the SPH when you can (during defence exhibitions, Open Houses etc).

touchstone_2000 SG

Can the SPH aka Primus be used in direct fire mode?

Paladin SG

Originally posted by 1roundaway:

trust me it is exactly the M109 chasis and it has not been greatly modified. The SPH is considered locally developed. if you look at the package as a whole instead of just the chasis, you'll realise that the gun is local-developed and the integration was done by our engineers. of course there are some stuff that are COTs e.g. the on-board computers etc. why build every single part from scratch when some of the stuff is readily available?

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trust me... Wink

Are those chasis new or re-con?

What's COTs ?

Paladin SG

NO need lah... U only need a driver and a VC to sit on top and salute.. no need 10 months lah..

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