Navies

Arena SG

From what I know, RMN at the meanwhile had better weapons and system than RSN, anybod care to discuss it?
Although we haf the Harpoon, but they haf the Tesso Ottomat which has a 100Nm range. And for their navies SAM, their Aspide is comparable to our Barak where Aspide has a slight advantage is speed... they are 0.5Mach faster than Barak...
They are also upgrading their Radar and EW system also...
They seems to be comparable to us or even better in terms of hardware... How do Analyst deduce tt RSN is the best Navy in the region? And their ships are much more than us too...
Regarding their manpower, I think tt their guys had improved alot...

tripwire SG

uhmmmm.....

its because we got subs Mr. Green

we got E-2C

and we got fokker-50 enforcer MPA

even without RSAF assistance... winning them would be a walk in the park.

their otomat may be able to shoot very far... further then RSN harpoon... but....... can they DETECT and ID a hostile vessel at such long ranges??

no point able to shoot far far... but dont know what you are shooting at right? Mr. Green

and there are so many places to hide in an archepelago...

aspide?? i think still pending budget release... by the time they got it..... they can meet our ASTER 30

in a straight fight... they got nothing to challenge our subs... yah yah i know they getting subs... but unless their subs can time travel back from 2008/9 to 2004... their navy butts will be soaked in salt water... Mr. Green

Paladin SG

So our edge comes from our "training" subs?

Nobody mentioned on RMN's anti-sub capability? Are they good at this?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Malaysians seem to have an obession with getting long ranged weapons, but they are not backing them up with much brains. No point getting a long ranged missile when you don’t know what you are shooting at such extreme range and worse, shorter ranged missiles outpreform you when you are nearer to them. A Harpoon is far more worth the bang for the buck.

tripwire SG

those aint no trainning subs... and as far as i check... RSN dont have afew dozen SSKs waiting desperately to be filled with crews that RSN need 5 trainning subs to satisfy the demand for trainning so many submariners.

important thing is... those subs can sink ships... who gives a damn if you called them trainning subs or pinky subs.... in war... we can turn around and call them SUPER SUBS!! STEALTH SUBS!! or any name we choose to give Mr. Green

tripwire SG

RMN ASW capability....

2 lekiu class frigate... carries hull mounted sonar as well as 2*3 whitehead torpedo.

2 hangtuah class frigate.. carries something called anti submarine mortar.... but obviously not working well... last i heard... they were trying to replace it with torpedos as well... Mr. Green

6 superlynx ASW helicopter... dont know if really ASW or not... because all i heard is speculations and more speculations.... but i will give them the benefit of the doubt... even though they just recieved the first heli merely afew weeks ago..

4 laksamana corvettes with torps as well... oops... they seems to be equipped with aspide?? cant be sure... Mr. Green and the range of the otomat 2 according to this website is 120km... weird... maybe this website sala...

i think thats about it....

but then... hunting subs aint no easy job... especially if you have to avoid the E-2C and the fokker 50s carrying harpoon and torps coming at you..... Mr. Green

of course these are merely for comparison purpose... between navies ONLY... else...

but from what i see simply.....

RMN 2 lekiu + 4 laksamana = 6 RSN victory MCV (their ships bigger.. ours stealthier)

RMN 8 FAC(M) = 6 RSN MGBs (we have less ship... but our missile fly further)

malaysian NGPVs = 12 RSN PVs

RMN ???? = 6 RSN Formidable frigate Question

RMN ???? = 5 RSN challenger subs

RMN ???? = 4 RSN E-2C

RMN ???? = 4 RSN Fokker 50 MPA

RMN super lynx = RSN XX ????

any comments Mr. Green

damienthedevil SG

We have only 4 operational subs, the 5th is use ( cannibalised ) for spares.

E2-C is RSAF not RSN

We have 5 Fokker 50MPA

tripwire SG

E-2C is under both RSN and RSAF... check the navy seal on the E-2C if you no see....

how you know the last sub if for canibalise? how much spareparts can you gain from one sub and use to support 4 subs??

one sub for cannabilization if true... aint gonna be enough... and its dumb to cannabilise a sub just for spare parts... we aint that poor..

Arena SG

Originally posted by tripwire:
uhmmmm.....

its because we got subs

we got E-2C

and we got fokker-50 enforcer MPA

even without RSAF assistance... winning them would be a walk in the park.

their otomat may be able to shoot very far... further then RSN harpoon... but....... can they DETECT and ID a hostile vessel at such long ranges??

no point able to shoot far far... but dont know what you are shooting at right?

and there are so many places to hide in an archepelago...

aspide?? i think still pending budget release... by the time they got it..... they can meet [b][b]our ASTER 30 [/b] Mr. Green

in a straight fight... they got nothing to challenge our subs... yah yah i know they getting subs... but unless their subs can time travel back from 2008/9 to 2004... their navy butts will be soaked in salt water...

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do we haf or gonna acquire Aster 30?? I tot e papers said our frigates gonna equip with Aster15??

clarencebk SG

Tripwire, officially the RSN have bought 5 subs but only going to commission 4. As for the 5th, it is announced to be used for spares. There is no name for the 5th sub perhaps maybe RSS Spares? Mr. Green

Arena SG

anybod here knows wats the official websites for RMN?
where can i get pics of msian ships like the laksa mcv, lekiu frigate and so on...??

HARIMAU SG

A bit abt RMN since bits posted by tripwire just aint that accurate Wink

2 x F2000 FFG (aka Lekiu) armed with MM40 BLOCK II,VLS SEAWOLF SAM,AS 244S,57mm SAK2,DS 30B 30mm,Super Lynx MK 300 armed with depth charges,AS 244S and SEA SKUA (6 ordered 4 delivered to date)

2 x FS1500 (Lekir class) armed with MM40 BLOCK II,BOFORS 375mm ASW,57mm SAK,100mm COMPACT,DS30 30mm + MANPDAS mounting,able to carry Lynx yet at the moment likely carry AS555SN FENNEC (radar equipped for OTOMAT OTHT)

1 x YARROW TYPE 71 (Rahmat) armed with 114mm,40mm L70,ASW mortar and able to carry Lynx

1 x HANG TUAH (training FF not worth mention)

6 x Laksamana FMC armed with OTOMAT MK2,ASPIDE,76mm,30mm twin,AS 244S.

4 x Spica M FAC armed with MM38,57mm SAK,40mm L70

4 x Perdana FAC armed with MM38,57mm SAK,40mm L70

6 x Jerung FAC, 6 x NGPV armed with 76mm,30mm,RIM 116A SAM or MICA VLS,Polyphem SSM or MM40 can carry Lynx (1 delivered),2 OPV,21 PC armed with 2 x 40mm,17 CB90H armed with 20mm or HMG etc.....etc

1 SSK AGOSTA 70B armed with SM39 delivered.....another 2 SSK on order.....rumours has it RMN operate a nos of mini subs Rolling Eyes

RMN now has 2 sqn of helos operate and run by the navy with their own naval base.

so these baby dont have ASW capabilities huh???? Twisted Evil

foxtrout8 SG

Im not surprise if Singapore do operate mini submarines.

so these baby dont have ASW capabilities huh???? Twisted Evil

Ha , without air superiority , such babies are as good as without ASW capabilities. Yeah?

foxtrout8 SG

I believe Mindef have not release any information on which type of Aster Missiles the frigates will carry.

If Mindef see the purpose to a need for a National Missile Defense or logistic and fleet defense ( practise by various countries ) , i believe the Aster30 will be most appropriate.

[email protected] SG

I thought RMN has only 4 Laksamana corvettes. Since when did they order 2 more?????

tripwire SG

RMN got order 6 lekiu frigate meh????

and 4 are delivered???

whats the name of the 4 lekiu frigate har??

tripwire SG

umm... actually hor.. that 8 FAC(M) of RMN not worth mentioning lah... no way they stand a chance one on one against RSN MGBs. Mr. Green

rahmat also not worth mentioning lah... no missile one... sitting duck more likely..

by the way... i thought malaysia's NGPV is gonna be delivered WITHOUT weapons?? or am i wrong?

so... actual RMN strength should be 12(?) helo, 2 lekiu, 2 lekir and 4 laksa VS RSN 6 MCV, 6 MGB, 4 E-2C, 4 F-50MPA and 4 subs?

84mmrr SG

yo, you abit optimistic. Juz between RSN &RMN, I think we lose. But we have RSAF that makes the difference. I believe our defence planner draw lessons from British ill-fated warships during WW2. Develop a strong Air force to rule the skies and turn enemies warships into sitting ducks

tripwire SG

it would be nice if you could at least enlighten us singaporeans who has been so brainwashed by our media...

perhaps you could shed some light to your opinion rather than simply arbitrary claiming that the moon is hotter than the sun?

[email protected] SG

LOL…. since when did defence planners draw inspiration from WW2?? I thought its juz common sense..