DTL rationalisation speculations

last SG · 2015-05-06T14:12:01+00:00

I do not think within the first three months of opening of Downtown Line MRT, there would be (significant) changes to bus routes because of the opening of th...

gekpohboy SG

In fact, if you don't mind, I would recommend 60 and 228 do a mutual route swap, to make 228 shorter, so that we can extend it to loop at Kaki Bukit MRT station.

228 ply 60's route from Bedok Bus Interchange to Bedok Reservoir Road market area (Eunos CC), via Bedok North MRT station.

60 ply 228's route from Bedok Bus Interchange to Bedok Reservoir Road market area (Eunos CC), via the Bedok Reservoir condominiums.

In fact, 60 extension to the other part of Bedok Reservoir Road would enhance connections. The route can also take this opportunity to loop around Bedok MRT station, instead of going into Bedok Bus Interchange. Many new community amenities would be launched at Bedok North area, so an amendment like this would really enhance the intra-town connection between Bedok Reservoir Road and Bedok Town Centre.

228 on the other hand can take this opportunity to ply the Bedok Reservoir Road market area in both directions, to make things easier for the bus driver. With a shorter route, it can afford to ply additional mileage to the upcoming Kaki Bukit MRT station.

Furthermore, 60 is a trunk and 228 is a feeder. 60 is considered average, whereas 228 is considered long. It would be appropriate to make 60 longer, and make 228 shorter. I mean, that should be the way, right? Why is it that the feeder run a longer route than the trunk, from Bedok Bus Interchange to Bedok Reservoir Road. It doesn't make it sense.

So, yeah, that's what I recommend, to provide that connection between Downtown Line and Bedok Reservoir Road. I hope the relevant parties would consider all pros and cons carefully before arriving at a decision.

Path Light SG

Only 585 will be withdrawn. Then passengers can take City Direct 658.

Side note: LTA is reviewing an extension of service 228 to connect Kaki Bukit MRT Station. It will be available on 21 October 2017.

60 may be considering to be diverted to Kaki Bukit. Passengers can take service 87 instead.

An extension of Service 228?

Vampire77lim SG

Bus service 228 should use bus service 60 route and the bus routes 60 should extended to changi business terminal from bedok North AVE 3 new upper changi rd to changi business terminal and

array88 SG

Loading on 60 will fall with DTL3 as there is a MRT station at Bedok Reservoir Road loop where 60/228 ply and get a huge loading for 60. Many of those might move to DTL3.

Doubt so.

Firstly, DTL3 Kaki Bukit station is still some distance away from Bedok Reservoir Rd, and even further away from the Christ Church part. People still need to walk all the way to Kaki Bukit Ave 1.

Secondly, DTL3 and EWL have very different routes. Those pax going to Bugis, City Hall, Raffles Place etc will probably still choose EWL, especially considering that DTL3 has no effective interchange with EWL for them, and they still need to walk/take bus to DTL3 stations. (Note that DTL3 pax still need to go through the entire DTL1 just to reach Bugis)

I forsee a lot pf pax will still choose EWL over DTL3, hence 60 may still be popular.

ButIAmAToilet SG

Doubt so.

Firstly, DTL3 Kaki Bukit station is still some distance away from Bedok Reservoir Rd, and even further away from the Christ Church part. People still need to walk all the way to Kaki Bukit Ave 1.

I forsee a lot pf pax will still choose EWL over DTL3, hence 60 may still be popular.

Retain 60, amend 228 to ply KB MRT before heading to Eunos CC. There is 66 throughout 228's entire route except for its looping point. So the pair of bus stops 228 missed is already covered.

Also, Eunos CC is a quick way to reach Chai Chee Industrial Est. It beats squeezing into 222 and heading to Bedok especially if you are going north-bound.

Another part to take note is that at that Eunos CC area, 228 have very bad loading compared to the rest of its route. By amending it to KB MRT, it gives Eunos CC area connection to DTL3 without resorting to travel to Ubi/Bedok Nth. It will also complement 5/59 partially towards KB.

gekpohboy SG

I was even thinking, why not integrate 228 into 60, and make 60 ply 228's route between Bedok Interchange and Eunos CC, and use the feeder bus frequency? But for that to happen, Bedok North Road must have very poor loading, in order to skip that part. And also, are the people willing to let 60 turn into Kaki Bukit MRT station after Telok Karau Primary School, and return to Bedok Reservoir Road at the landed housing side after that, on its way to Eunos Bus Interchange?

If Eunos has space for one more bus service, they can make 60 originate at Bedok, to add one more vacancy at Eunos, and then split 21 at Eunos. Then problem solved already, cuz affected commuters of 60 can take 21 to Eunos MRT station via 60's current route.

But, as far as I know, got a lot of people take 21 from Geylang to Bedok and Tampines. It's not about whether MRT can replace the bus, but rather, the bus brings them straight to their house.

Worse come to worse, just introduce a new bus service, from Eunos to Kaki Bukit, and loop at Eunos CC. Like the previous 385, except now meander at Kaki Bukit MRT station.

Or just extend 228 to Kaki Bukit MRT station, and loop via Jalan Tenaga.

AJQZC SG

But, as far as I know, got a lot of people take 21 from Geylang to Bedok and Tampines. It's not about whether MRT can replace the bus, but rather, the bus brings them straight to their house.

Worse come to worse, just introduce a new bus service, from Eunos to Kaki Bukit, and loop at Eunos CC. Like the previous 385, except now meander at Kaki Bukit MRT station.

Or just extend 228 to Kaki Bukit MRT station, and loop via Jalan Tenaga.

I suggested an extension of 228 to Kaki Bukit MRT & loop via Kaki Bukit Industrial area to LTA earlier this year.

The reply was that there were already existing services 60 to Bedok North MRT and 8/22/65/66 to Ubi MRT.

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gekpohboy SG

I suggested an extension of 228 to Kaki Bukit MRT & loop via Kaki Bukit Industrial area to LTA earlier this year.

The reply was that there were already existing services 60 to Bedok North MRT and 8/22/65/66 to Ubi MRT.

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Oh ya. Make sense. Anyway, Kaki Bukit MRT already have 5, 15, 58, 59 and 87. Since 8, 22, 65 and 66 already connect Bedok Reservoir Road (Eunos CC) to the Downtown Line via Ubi MRT, there's actually no need for any route amendment to connect that area to Kaki Bukit MRT or Bedok North MRT. Thanks for the information.

gekpohboy SG

Ok. Let's move on to talk about Tampines.

TPS Timothy Mok SG

Ok. Let's move on to talk about Tampines.

46 can extend, via Tampines Ctrl 1, Tampines Ave 4, Tampines Ave 7, St 45, St 34, St 32, Ave 2, Ave 7, Ave 4, Ctrl 1. Of course, the patronage is not that high at that moment.

22 can divert via Tampines Ctrl 1, Tampines Ave 4 to reduce fighting of buses.

39 can divert via Tampines Ave 4, Tampines Ave 1 and Tampines Ave 2 because the demand is still low at the moment.

BusAnalayzer SG

46 can extend, via Tampines Ctrl 1, Tampines Ave 4, Tampines Ave 7, St 45, St 34, St 32, Ave 2, Ave 7, Ave 4, Ctrl 1. Of course, the patronage is not that high at that moment.

22 can divert via Tampines Ctrl 1, Tampines Ave 4 to reduce fighting of buses.

39 can divert via Tampines Ave 4, Tampines Ave 1 and Tampines Ave 2 because the demand is still low at the moment.

Okay I had suggested this change a year back for 46. 39 should simply extend to CBP.

AJQZC SG

Any recent news on 171 (whether it will be amended)?

SMB5007J SG

Any recent news on 171 (whether it will be amended)?

don't think it will be amended for now..

lemon1974 SG

don't think it will be amended for now..

last year someone claim have inside info about 500/700/171 and now all nothing?

someone even say his friends at HGDEP already learn the route for 500 last year...

carbikebus SG

Must be SBS2792K?

BusAnalayzer SG

They keep changing and postponing their plans. I think the major blunder here is Compassvale Interchange. Still operating only with 374.

Scopittabuses SG

They keep changing and postponing their plans. I think the major blunder here is Compassvale Interchange. Still operating only with 374.

compassvale now partly use as extra bus parking for sengkang int

carbikebus SG

compassvale now partly use as extra bus parking for sengkang int

You'll be suprised Compassvale got two operator later..That parking is mostly Split shift buses who is mostly lazy to go back depot.

TIB 585L SG

You'll be suprised Compassvale got two operator later..That parking is mostly Split shift buses who is mostly lazy to go back depot.

Reminds me of SBW int where 856 split buses all park there

gekpohboy SG

Compassvale is for the future. I understand there are concerns that the bus interchange could be a white elephant, considering there is only one service operating from the facility, but in the long run, there is a need for bus services at Sengkang, to serve the new areas in Sengkang West and Seletar.

Additional capacity is required, and Compassvale Bus Interchange provides that capacity. Likewise for Punggol, which will operate at capacity when the other half of Punggol is developed. But beyond Punggol, I think only Compassvale Bus Interchange can provide that capacity for future bus services at Seletar. The other facility would be Yio Chu Kang Bus Interchange. Punggol, Yishun and Ang Mo Kio are reaching its limits.

Nonetheless, Seletar is not a large area that requires multiple new bus services in future. In fact, with the Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line coming up in future, there may not even be the need for so many bus services.

Nonetheless, it's always better to have spare capacity, although we may not need it, because who knows we may need additional capacity in future. So, it's better to create an abundance of capacity, even though we do not need it now. Anyway, we can afford, and the cost of maintenance is within our capacity, so let's just appreciate the fact that we have the Compassvale Bus Interchange that anticipates the future and stay relevant.

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