DTL rationalisation speculations

last SG · 2015-05-06T14:12:01+00:00

I do not think within the first three months of opening of Downtown Line MRT, there would be (significant) changes to bus routes because of the opening of th...

201911 SG

170 can be amended to serve CCK Rd, CCK Way, CCK Ave 4, CCK Dr (express) and KJE instead of Woodlands Rd between Junction 10 and KJE.

Then 66 can be amended to serve 67's route from Serangoon Rd to Tampines. (65 and DTL3 can cover Serangoon Rd - Bedok Reservoir Rd and 228 can cover Bedok Reservoir Rd to Bedok Int.)

Then 67 can be withdrawn.

66 is already very long though. Anyway LTA would probably focus on DTL2 rationalisation first, likely 171 and maybe 700. 66 and 67 may be shortened or split, but some time later when DTL3 loading has stabilized.

BusAnalayzer SG

DTL 2 Rationalisation (mostly services along Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Timah corridor)

67 - Tampines Interchange >> Newton Circus (loop)

987 - CCK Interchange >> Queens Street Terminal

171 - Yishun Interchange >> Bukit Panjang MRT (loop)

178 - Woodlands Interchange >> Bukit Batok Interchange (49 & 66 compensate)

258 - Boon Lay Interchange >> AYE (loop)

170 - Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Larkin

960 - No change

700 - No change (extra stop at Mile Ten Junction)

961 - No change

852 - Terminated

174 - diverted via 852/178 road.

190 / 972 - No change

autumncs SG

DTL 2 Rationalisation (mostly services along Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Timah corridor)

67 - Tampines Interchange >> Newton Circus (loop)

987 - CCK Interchange >> Queens Street Terminal

171 - Yishun Interchange >> Bukit Panjang MRT (loop)

178 - Woodlands Interchange >> Bukit Batok Interchange (49 & 66 compensate)

258 - Boon Lay Interchange >> AYE (loop)

170 - Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Larkin

960 - No change

700 - No change (extra stop at Mile Ten Junction)

961 - No change

852 - Terminated

174 - diverted via 852/178 road.

190 / 972 - No change

I feel that among 190, 700, 960 and 972, at least one of these services will be rationalised. I don't think LTA is so generous to maintain all 4 services which are running parallel to one another and to DTL2.

wsy1234 SG

Given the problem the old MRT system are facing it is best not to touch any of the services at all 190,700,960,972.

AJQZC SG

Given the problem the old MRT system are facing it is best not to touch any of the services at all 190,700,960,972.

DTL2 isn't exactly old.

Having many services in parallel is quite an overkill so it's justified to rationalise them to some extent.

autumncs SG

Given the problem the old MRT system are facing it is best not to touch any of the services at all 190,700,960,972.

The NEL is older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang and downtown.

The EWL is even older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Jurong and downtown. (There is 502, but the portion between Jurong West and Toh Guan is painfully long and can take longer than the portion from Toh Guan to Orchard).

The NSL is the oldest but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Sembawang/Yishun/AMK and downtown except 857.

Bukit Panjang residents should realise that they are very lucky to have 190/700/960/972 + 966. Now that the DTL2 is operational, it is time to shift some duplicated resources to other regions of Singapore with poorer connectivity.

array88 SG

The NEL is older but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Punggol/Sengkang/Hougang and downtown.

The NSL is the oldest but there are no services like 190/700/960/972 connecting Sembawang/Yishun/AMK and downtown except 857.

NEL, EWL and NSL all have 6-carriage trains while DTL only has 3.

Although it can be argued that DTL has lower overall ridership as compared to the old lines as it serves less estates.

Path Light SG

DTL 2 Rationalisation (mostly services along Upper Bukit Timah, Bukit Timah corridor)

67 - Tampines Interchange >> Newton Circus (loop)

987 - CCK Interchange >> Queens Street Terminal

171 - Yishun Interchange >> Bukit Panjang MRT (loop)

178 - Woodlands Interchange >> Bukit Batok Interchange (49 & 66 compensate)

258 - Boon Lay Interchange >> AYE (loop)

170 - Bukit Panjang Interchange >> Larkin

960 - No change

700 - No change (extra stop at Mile Ten Junction)

961 - No change

852 - Terminated

174 - diverted via 852/178 road.

190 / 972 - No change

Then Bukit Batok residents will lose 852 as they take 852 to Yishun, Ang Mo Kio

JKYY SG

852 CRL open then lose

TIB1182J SG

I'm thinking that 171 might start from Bt Panjang ITH and loop at Yishun instead. Its non-stop sector along Jelebu Road could be a precursor for its route amendment to BPITH via Petir Road. Having 171 loop at Yishun will also free up parking space at the future Yishun ITH to support more Yishun services since the town is still expanding.

array88 SG

BPJ ITH is so small that it already cannot accommodate all BPJ bus park services... And yet you want 171 there?

Gus.chong SG

BPJ ITH is so small that it already cannot accommodate all BPJ bus park services... And yet you want 171 there?

I may agree that the ITH cannot accommodate all services, but it seems to me that it can actually take one more service (even taking into account the fact that 979M is still in there)...I was particularly surprised as to why a total of 3 services did not go back to the interchange.

BusAnalayzer SG

BPJ ITH is so small that it already cannot accommodate all BPJ bus park services... And yet you want 171 there?

If need be, 171 can terminate at BPJ temporary bus park.

AJQZC SG

If need be, 171 can terminate at BPJ temporary bus park.

Then it would lose its direct link to BPJ MRT ... unless we wait for exit C to be ready.

SMB145B SG

If need be, 171 can terminate at BPJ temporary bus park.

(Route from Yishun)

Bukit Panjang Road

Upper Bukit Timah Road

Petir Road

Off service via

Jelebu Road

Bukit Panjang Ring Road

Senja Road

Senja Way

autumncs SG

If 171 is shortened, it can simply make a loop around Bukit Panjang by turning left from Upp Bukit Timah Rd into Petir Rd.

Alternatively it can merge with 180.

AJQZC SG

If 171 is shortened, it can simply make a loop around Bukit Panjang by turning left from Upp Bukit Timah Rd into Petir Rd.

Alternatively it can merge with 180.

CANNOT MERGE WITH 180 !!!

The two services are simply incompatible in terms of fleet / demand / frequency.

carbikebus SG

The new pair of bus stops along Ave 2 will sure create a chaos.

The new Loyang bus stops(Towards Ave 7) already got cases near accidents,Vehicles reluctant to give way to buses keeping centre/right lane during peak hours.LTA love to built bus stops at bottleneck lanes/near turning areas/near shopping centre entrance/exits without thinking how selfish our motorists attitude is.

carbikebus SG

CANNOT MERGE WITH 180 !!!

The two services are simply incompatible in terms of fleet / demand / frequency.

180 got their demands la,Wont be merge dont worry,They only will amend/merge/withdrawal whichever svc dont have satisfactory loadings.

SMB1368T SG

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