Anxious Malaysian teens jam NS hotlines

Fairyland SG

NathanG5,

It's mainly in the mind. Experiences count. The older generation (ppl like ur mum) are a tougher breed. Life in early Singapore was not so easy. Where as the younger ones today are.....'not quite as tough'.

Using brain in the front line requires a cool mind. That usually means one either has been there OR someone close-by eg platoon sergeant has been there.

SAF don't have that today in the ranks. Some of the officers are so young........ don't know if they have chicken pox or not? Maybe the commandoes but they will be doing something else.

My point of view. I haven't seen action too. Don't know what the insides of a human look like. Never seen blood spilled before too. Haven't been in a situation where ppl all around screaming in pain and bullets, shells flying all around you.

NathanG5 SG

its either i dun get what you mean or the other way round..
the one about my mum being more "battle harden" was meant to be a joke..read my post again...n pls Quote my whole post next time..i dun want anyone to put words into my finger..
on you last paragraph...isnt it what im trying to say too?
n i dun get it by using what brain? the only thing i say is using his brain on this issue since when it meant using it in a front line? Rolling Eyes

selective reading?

Johnston SG

Why, im glad i made you laugh.

No. But M'sia, in their logic might decide to attack us over water.
If your really G5, and somewhere high, im sure you know loads more about this. *nudge nudge*

We dont need a 3day shooting course. We need instructions like those given to conscripts before entering stalingrad. End.
Let's not use "battlehardened", eh? Rather "well-trained and experienced".

SG has already done NS for decades, and has most of the kinks ironed out. M'Sia is starting now, and will have many stuff to straigthen before they have good community workers, let alone troops.

In a very real sense, NS has created a nation of riflemen in singapore, albeit not to the extent of sweden. If need be, it's theoretically possible to mobilise every TDH and have them as leg infantry in time of war.

And "bullet proof" is a oxymoron. Bullet proof? Vest proof against 9mm, i take 5.56. 5.56, use 7.62. and so on, and so on.
Correct phrase is "bullet resistant".

Thanks.

Fairyland SG

One thing about our NS recall system.....it works!

Probably the best one around the world.

Johnston SG

Theoretically.
Realistically?

Who knows?

Take into account overseas work/study/visit, or unable to leave workplace, or just family matters.
In the event of a full-scale recall, the problems to be surmounted, are legion, to say the least.

Tango1 SG

Since we are getting into semantics here, could you actually argue that the SAF is experienced? For the most part, our armed forces comprises of NSFs and NSmen, with only a small core of regulars, of which a smaller percentage has seen peacekeeping/peace enforcement action. Well-trained? For sure....experienced? I don't think we are as experienced as the ADF or IDF for that matter.

Second point, why would M'sia attack us over water? They have plenty of it!! Very Happy Wouldn't we logically attack them over H2O instead? They don't even need our filtration services for much longer.... Sad

Third, the purpose of M'sia's NS is to teach NE before their country falls apart because of ethnic divisions, not to really create community workers...therefore, their NS program is structured more towards NE lessons...the arms training session is just to instil discipline, that's all...a taste of so-called 'roughing it out' but not the comprehensive works...

Fourth, are we really able to mobilise every TDH as infantrymen? Not all of us that went through NS dealt with firearms, let alone field training; only those that got posted to the SAF or SPF (not even proper field training, although there's some). You're forgetting that the SCDF don't have para-military training...maybe we can have 'em patrol the streets holding pickaxes... Mr. Green

Johnston SG

I have only disdain for the M'sian army.
I think they rank somewhere near the French army.

Either way, they vacuum in. ( Smile )

Where else can you steal a entire armskote by pretending to check it?

shining_force SG

The following text is a telephone recorded conversation taken from one of the telephone operator:
(After a million tries flabbergasted Ang Mor Mr Ang Mor Jhonny finally managed to get through the Hot line

Ang mor malaysian: Hello there darling I will like to enquire on the national service matters and it will make me...........

M'sia Operator: "Ah pa Ini? Saya da bolek Engrish....ERR Malay prease"

....................................

snk86 SG

lol.........this is too much man, everyone knows the french army is one condem one which have the worst army special forces in the world...(why, i think even US G.I's can beat the FFL in combat)

NathanG5 SG

Why, im glad i made you laugh.

cos its funny?

No. But M'sia, in their logic might decide to attack us over water.
If your really G5, and somewhere high, im sure you know loads more about this. *nudge nudge

*

chances we will make the 1st move if they deciding to do something stupid like shutting their water plant n no water is coming into Singapore..

We dont need a 3day shooting course. We need instructions like those given to conscripts before entering stalingrad. End.
Let's not use "battlehardened", eh? Rather "well-trained and experienced".

at last you make sense!!

SG has already done NS for decades, and has most of the kinks ironed out. M'Sia is starting now, and will have many stuff to straigthen before they have good community workers, let alone troops.

they can take their time polishing up their NS experience 1st..

In a very real sense, NS has created a nation of riflemen in singapore, albeit not to the extent of sweden. If need be, it's theoretically possible to mobilise every TDH and have them as leg infantry in time of war.

yes..nobody is gona disagree with that..but..since when we mention anything about mob??

And "bullet proof" is a oxymoron. Bullet proof? Vest proof against 9mm, i take 5.56. 5.56, use 7.62. and so on, and so on.
Correct phrase is "bullet resistant".

ok thanx alot for correcting me..not much people in this world will use the phrase "bullet resistant" ..so smart good boy

Thanks.

welcome

NathanG5 SG

FFL is one of the best military unit in the world..FFL n French Army are different..but its always FFL who does the fighting..
FFL are Mercenary serving under the French Govt..the French Govt use them to fight becos most of the are not French Citizen..so less backlash from the people..
the FFL was a different entity from the French Army..last time it command on its own..but after the FFL try to assasinate one of the Prez or PM(cant remember)n was discovered by the French Govt..from that on its part under Govt liao..correct me if im wrong..

rancour5 SG

If you can say tt, u probably havent been through NS, the amount of F-ups u encounter is mind boggling. Besides, where else in the world can a Navy Ship collide with a cargo ship by going against the flow of traffic. It also doesnt bode well for the SAF.

fugue SG

Why don't they just notify recruits thru postal mail? No brains!!! Laughing

Johnston SG

AH ha.
But i am in NS now.
No matter how many uh.. tool-ups we may have, i dont think we would allow a whole armskote to be emptied just because a colonel says so.

You dont really want to know the blunders commited by armies. Some of them are funny. Some outrageous. Some, tragic.

Quote one example: USS Indianapolis.
Clues: Nuclear material, I-58, massive mess up.

|-|05| SG

This shows how little you know of the FFL.They are infact ranked above the US marines in terms of ability and they sure ass hell are better then the Airborne and the average GI's.Reading couple of books on them and you'd find out why.They are used the same way as the Rangers.

snk86 SG

well, maybe indeed i don’t knoe about the recent FFl…..but the thing is it is hell more weaker then some othewr special forces…..for once, in indo-china, the whole FFL is desintergrated…...and after a reform. desintergrated again….....really gao siao sia…....and they insist on the FAMAS…. sad ah…......

NathanG5 SG

death doesnt mean they are weak..they just believe in fighting to the death..no such thing as retrogade..
there are stories on navy seal who drown before the mission start n its the commanding people that are to blame..
recommend that you buy this book call "Elite Forces" by Richard M Bennett..
lotsa success n failure story about the world Special Force..you are gona be surprise that there are more failure then success..

Tango1 SG

One of my prof was actually an ex-FFL soldier. He served in the airborne detachment of that outfit and saw action in Chad in the '80s...heard him tell me the stories of combat...lost four of his men KIA, and had to carry their bodies back to camp. Later took revenge when his unit ambushed the guerillas....sigh...war is hell.... Crying or Very sad

From what I heard about his experience, he trained alonside the U.S. Special Forces and Rangers....his take on them? Good but a little too cocky...thought that they don't really need gloves in the desert since its just sand...turned out that when a sandstorm hits, its like coarse sandpaper rubbing on exposed parts of your body...their hands ended up bleeding like siow afterwards...lol Mr. Green

The FAMAS apparently was superior to the M-16 in that it didn't jam as much in desert conditions. The M-16 was not only prone to jamming, but also misfires...some G.I.s were killed by accident in the last Gulf War becos' of sand in the chamber causing misfires...

snk86 SG

err, i am studying this book right now. boy, HALO looks damn hard but damn fun man

snk86 SG

i also learn about the teheran failure from that book….......din know the delta screwed that one up…........

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