The last days and months of bendy buses

last SG · 2017-10-01T18:56:50+00:00

When downline opens later this month service 61 might get lesser passengers as this routes heavily duplicates dtl from eunos to city area. More O405Gs are on...

BusAnalayzer SG

61 stopped using bendies (maybe got 1 or 2) ever since it was declared WAB in 2012.

No. 61 stopped using bendies once SMRT got its DDs. Also then bendies were used as late as early 2016.

SBS8676Z SG

No. 61 stopped using bendies once SMRT got its DDs. Also then bendies were used as late as early 2016.

61 used to have several bendies in its fleet since Tibs takeover. But somewhere in 2012, the bendies were mass withdrawn from 61 and replaced with the SMB rigids just before it turned WAB. I think there were 2 bendies left on 61 then - TIB1131G and another one.

Even with the DDs entering 61 fleet, there are also not many DDs deployed on 61 till then.

859 was also another one that had all the bendies withdrawn and replace with SMB rigids just before it turned WAB in late 2012. Not sure if any bendies cameo 859 after that.

randomguy10 SG

If CGA services uses bendies GA should get a small number of them as well. It depends on LTA right now.

Yep exactly. All along I had the opinion that LTA wasn't supportive of the bendys and that those MAN A24s will stay out of the bus contract packages, besides the negotiated ones.

If LTA intended for the bendys to be used on CGA services, they would have put it on GAS Loyang contract too which has 34,36. That's why I feel that although 24 has a chance to use the MAN A24s, they might be more for the yishun feeders. Given the crafting of the Yishun contract and the services involved, LTA would have well-known that there would be no need for so many bendy lots if yishun feeders were shifting to DDs under the contract. I guess LTA still did force a tryout of DDs on 806 but maybe results were not too positive so bendys are transferred to SBST for use on yishun feeders.

So these A24 units will be painted lush green SG❤BUS Livery? I believe for seletar contract, only a portion is transferred from SMRT and LTA will still purchase some new units for SBST. Doesnt make sense for SMRT to transfer WAB bendy to SBST and deploy NWAB bendy on woodlands/CCK feeders. On the other hand, it also doesn't make sense for SBST to maintain such a small number of A24s at seletar.

carbikebus SG

Yep exactly. All along I had the opinion that LTA wasn't supportive of the bendys and that those MAN A24s will stay out of the bus contract packages, besides the negotiated ones.

Airport svc also cannot afford to have all svc with bendies,What about the parking berth?

iveco SG

If LTA still keen on bendies get the B8RLEA €6 version.

iveco SG

Even with the DDs entering 61 fleet, there are also not many DDs deployed on 61 till then.

859 was also another one that had all the bendies withdrawn and replace with SMB rigids just before it turned WAB in late 2012. Not sure if any bendies cameo 859 after that.

61 used to have mainly VO3X fleet. But ridership must have dropped a lot today.

While BBT to Ngee Ann is clearly a high demand section, Bugis to Ubi has 63 as an alternative.

lemon1974 SG

Yep exactly. All along I had the opinion that LTA wasn't supportive of the bendys and that those MAN A24s will stay out of the bus contract packages, besides the negotiated ones.

the contract for north point city/new yishun integrated hub was called in Mid2013.. no BCM that time...but think LTA do know that most of the old bendies will be gone by 2019.

at that time, they already planned for 21 bendies lot for the temp interchange and reduce to 13 lots for the integrated hub... right now, we wont know whether the actual layout have been changed or not since it have been 4 years since tenders were called.

tender for seletar package was called in June 2016. that time no DDs on sv806... so you are saying that LTA now happy happy change the term after contract have been awarded and decided to transfer bendies to SBST for yishun feeders after 806 gotten DDs for around 3 months? the use of bendies for seletar package should have long been stated in the tenders... and most likely it will be for sv24.. (maybe 4-5 buses only)..

as for sv34/36, they did not get any A24 , as the previous transfer for loyang all involved SBST services and LTA is still in discussion with SMRT on the negotiated contract. (That why all the buses used are from BSEP and new purchases under LTA).

if need to buy more A24 for seletar contract, then what is LTA waiting for? have they placed order for new A24 since the contract are starting in 5 months time.. and why doesnt it make sense to maintain 3-5 A24 at seletar? since SBST will also use A22, which ppl are saying that they used the same engine/parts..

TPS Timothy Mok SG

the contract for north point city/new yishun integrated hub was called in Mid2013.. no BCM that time...but think LTA do know that most of the old bendies will be gone by 2019.

the Northpoint City contract was awarded in 2013, to allow double deckers, 2-3 bendy lots for Yishun feeders.

They already planned more than enough bendy lots in the temporary interchange to allow the ban of double deckers to still in enforce until AMK Depot removes height restriction as this is the only bus depot to do so. By the time we have the new bus interchange, we can just have 2-3 bendy bus lots. other 10 bendy bus lots as mentioned earlier is not needed and can park more buses.

All the bendy buses will be gone with lifespan. perhaps without extension, by then all the packages will be tendered out in consolidation.

randomguy10 SG

the contract for north point city/new yishun integrated hub was called in Mid2013.. no BCM that time...but think LTA do know that most of the old bendies will be gone by 2019.

I think the contract would have indicated that the winner has to operate A24s as part of the package but may not have specified on which services. As long as there are A24s to be maintained, it would probably make more economic sense to maintain a fleet of atleast 15-20. Although A22 and A24 may have similar builder, there are surely parts that are different. Most obvious is the articulator.

I believe the DDs on 806 was a real test to see how the DDs fair on the yishun feeders. If not, why did LTA not choose to debut DDs on the other feeders and even if not immediately, in the last 3 months? ATM, SMRT is definitely able to spare some DDs on these services especially since the handover exercise is quite soon.

There could be a possibility that these 3 units are transferred to SBST for training and LTA may have placed a small order for A24s, which can still be delivered in the upcoming 3-4 months.

lemon1974 SG

There could be a possibility that these 3 units are transferred to SBST for training and LTA may have placed a small order for A24s, which can still be delivered in the upcoming 3-4 months.

i do not have the contract and thus i am not sure whether LTA have specific which services get what.. but most likely it will be for sv24.....

as for DDs for other yishun feeders, there are still around 150 NWAB bendies running around.. which services do you want to put these bendies on? ppl are already not happy with a few NWAB bendies on 854....

even since BCM, both SMRT/SBST have been using their old buses way up to the official lifespan (except for few problematic buses which are layup earlier) as LTA are paying them the leasing cost for these old buses..

806 gotten DDs because of the WAB status and not enough A24 to deploy.

Even sv851 only manage to get upgrade to DDs fleet in the last month..... so the rest of the yishun feeders most likely will wait until End Dec (when another 50 or so bendies are deregistered) to get DDs.

A22 fan SG

I still see bendies on service 851 and majority of them are O405Gs. A24s are less common.

lemon1974 SG

I still see bendies on service 851 and majority of them are O405Gs. A24s are less common.

only one perm (1241) for 851 due to the ad right now i think. still got cameo bendy though, but most of the time are random E500/A95 doing those bendies slot.

BusAnalayzer SG

300 seems to be getting lesser bendies these days. Someone else reported the same with 302.

Seems like 979 and 983 are getting more DDs to offset bendies on these feeders, who in turn are getting more A22s.

Now does it mean just because it is designated as feeder 300/302 cannot get DDs while 979/983 can even though they still have the high loading for few stops?

randomguy10 SG

Im not sure of 300, but i been going to Yew Tee area quite frequently using 302 for work purposes in the past 3 weeks. 302 still has quite a substantial number of bendy (including the MB O405Gs) and 979 has almost 100% DDs. I think for 302, there have been add-on trips using MAN A22s and no added Bendy. Probably that's why it seems that way.

For 979, people who take from BPJ spend a good 10 mins or more on the bus so DD can still suit but for 302, journey is lesser than 10mins for most commuters so Bendy makes more sense.

But I guess the part of feeders using bendy and trunks using DDs is still quite true to some extent. 979 and 983 seemed to be getting DDs but the new BSEP 301 was given bendy.

SMB315C SG

300 seems to be getting lesser bendies these days. Someone else reported the same with 302.

Seems like 979 and 983 are getting more DDs to offset bendies on these feeders, who in turn are getting more A22s.

Now does it mean just because it is designated as feeder 300/302 cannot get DDs while 979/983 can even though they still have the high loading for few stops?

They even upsized 979M..

SMB145B SG

They even upsized 979M..

1 bus every 30 mins? Its going to be packed at all times.

carbikebus SG

I’ve got a feeling LTA will order a few units of A24 after all the O405Gs is deregistered

SG5064X SG

300 seems to be getting lesser bendies these days. Someone else reported the same with 302.

Seems like 979 and 983 are getting more DDs to offset bendies on these feeders, who in turn are getting more A22s.

Now does it mean just because it is designated as feeder 300/302 cannot get DDs while 979/983 can even though they still have the high loading for few stops?

300 seem to be using 1 or 2 A24 daily from my observation.

For 979/M,I only see buses like 1340Y & 1418H as Rigid Bus.Suspect the B9TL replace most of the A22,

983 still the same for me leh...But their A22 perm SMB1577G,SMB3112B & even SMB3131X seems to disappear.Likely replace by DD I Guess...

SG5064X SG

For 979, people who take from BPJ spend a good 10 mins or more on the bus so DD can still suit but for 302, journey is lesser than 10mins for most commuters so Bendy makes more sense.

But I guess the part of feeders using bendy and trunks using DDs is still quite true to some extent. 979 and 983 seemed to be getting DDs but the new BSEP 301 was given bendy.

302 seems to have a fall in the number of A24s buses.See some of their BD perm doing 300 quite often.

SBS2609H SG

169 no more perm bendy bus.

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