Capacity changes on bus services (Part 2)

last SG · 2016-02-02T12:08:53+00:00

851 got back 2 bendies. Interesting how SMRT downgrades 851 when it goes low on bendy resources, and when it finds some bendies, it deploys back on 851. Its...

BusAnalayzer SG

518 was introduced w DDs only v v late into the SBST days.. And even then a mere 1 or 2.. It is EXACTLY the fact GA has surplus DDs that makes me rest my conclusions on the service of GA via-a-vis SBST being better.. Coz EVEN up till now many SBST svcs in the east are not getting the DDs they deserve.. Svc 5 is a shining example..

Coz with GCM, GA got a lot of DDs - more than required, while SBST has a lot of surplus Citaros remaining as many of their DDs went to other operators. Hence, a lot of SBS services are getting SD fleet add instead of DDs.

Though in the east SBS has done a good job with svc 20 and 35.

BusAnalayzer SG

To add on SBS needs to do a better job with 5 and 45 in the east. Both need more DDs (not fleet add).

BusAnalayzer SG

becos they ended up not deploying DD on 82 and 136

Both 82 and 136 don't need DDs (yet) - just like 83/119 don't need DDs... and 43/62/85 didn't deserve to be full fleet DD.

SMB128B SG

Though in the east SBS has done a good job with svc 20 and 35.

That's not true at all. If anything I would say that the B9s lost to GA are at best proportionate to the services they lost also, since GA also got their DDs from BCM.

hgdep103 SG

Yeah... And SBST are replacing DDs with SDs on some services such as 161 and 168.

Once I waited 17 minutes for svc 168 at Woodlands Interchange (around 1pm), and the next bus was a Scania K230UB!!!!!!! Unsurprisingly, the bus was full of standing people, all the way from Woodlands Int to Bedok Int.

What the hell was SBST thinking? For svc 168, even if a DD comes every 8-10 minutes, the high demand can easily fill all the seats.

LTA's instruction. When ppl complain they will use SBST as the scapegoat to escape. I have talked to their ppl before

dupdup77 SG

Yeah... And SBST are replacing DDs with SDs on some services such as 161 and 168.

What the hell was SBST thinking? For svc 168, even if a DD comes every 8-10 minutes, the high demand can easily fill all the seats.

All, don't assign blame so easily. There must be some instruction of higher level. As I always said, you cannot right size every trip and every bus service. As long as a basic bus service is provided to every area within 400 metres, the bus industry is still doing it right. That is their main role. Cheers. Thanks.

SMB42P SG

Not sure true anot but i heard they will be trying DDs on 307 soon... rumours only though, just sharing what i heard :)

autumncs SG

I believe SBST and LTA know that 168 is a high demand service. If they convert some of the DDs to SDs, the least they can do is to maintain the 6-10 minute frequency.

I was angered by the fact that my fellow passengers and I were kept waiting for 17 minutes (with the queue extending to the next berth and beyond) and the next bus was a SD. While queuing, I saw 2 svc 168 DDs returning to Woodlands, so a shortage of bus is not an excuse.

Yes, a basic bus service should be provided to every area within 400 metres. But if I have to wait very very long for the bus and many passengers are unable to board due to full buses, then the operator is not doing it right. 17 minutes is way above the official frequency of 6-12 minutes stated by SBST and LTA.

autumncs SG

To add on SBS needs to do a better job with 5 and 45 in the east. Both need more DDs (not fleet add).

Sometimes I wish svc 5 and 21 was transferred to GA...

As for svc 45, it is still a joke (in terms of frequency and capacity) despite a series of improvements. SBS is not doing enough.

array88 SG

Sometimes I wish svc 5 and 21 was transferred to GA...

As for svc 45, it is still a joke (in terms of frequency and capacity) despite a series of improvements. SBS is not doing enough.

Let's wait until one of the local operators win a tendered package and then make a fair comparison. Somehow I feel that even if SBST/SMRT won Bulim or Loyang packages, some services like 106, 43 and 62 would still be full fleet DD...

dupdup77 SG

I believe SBST and LTA know that 168 is a high demand service. If they convert some of the DDs to SDs, the least they can do is to maintain the 6-10 minute frequency.

Hi mr autumncs, one-off or repeated? If one-off for 17 min wait, then no issue. Other operators also have such issues. Even worse, repeated poor frequency. Even after complaints, still no improvement. Cheers. Thanks.

autumncs SG

That's an one-off incident. All along, 168 is pretty frequent and is served by DDs. Perhaps I was too pampered by the high frequency and high capacity of svc 168... So when I saw a SD after waiting for 17 minutes, I just felt irritated.

Operators should be flexible in deploying SDs/DDs based on the departure time of the previous bus and the number of people in the queue. If the previous bus departed more than 15 minutes ago, the least they can do is to deploy a DD.

lemon1974 SG

Sometimes I wish svc 5 and 21 was transferred to GA...

As for svc 45, it is still a joke (in terms of frequency and capacity) despite a series of improvements. SBS is not doing enough.

now everything under LTA, including deployments...so pls feedback to LTA, if you need more improvement..SBST is only deploying accordingly to LTA instructions (for which their instructions are ridiculous sometime, such as insisting 170/170A/170X to use the old woodland road to customs during peak hours).

autumncs SG

I always feel that svc 161 and 168 should retain a full DD fleet at all times.

lemon1974 SG

the 17 mins frequency might be due to accident on SLE/TPE. is the SD all the time parking inside the interchange? (i.e when u started waiting?). the earlier bus (maybe DD) might have breakdown somewhere.. so there are lot of reasons which might cause the delay.. (further woodland interchange only 2 SBST service, difficult to e-pull buses)...

just like yesterday , big congestion at SLE (toward woodland) from ave 12 till lentor ave area from 5pm till 8pm.. buses were crawling on SLE (took 35 mins to drive from lentor to ave 12)... so when the jam first start, there will be buses coming in late to woodland interchange to start trips..

SMB42P SG

301 AP fleet add wef 270317, now running with 5 AP and 1 S

Fleet: 3 AP rigids, 2 AP bendies, 1 split bendy

**The AP fleet add should be a A24...

SBS3004X SG

LTA's instruction. When ppl complain they will use SBST as the scapegoat to escape. I have talked to their ppl before

If the ppl who complain actually know what BCM is, LTA will surely kena BBQ.

carbikebus SG

I always feel that svc 161 and 168 should retain a full DD fleet at all times.

168 ok for full DD but 161 weekends can still deploy 2-3 SD as replacement..

SMB42P SG

301 confirm running with 5 BDs and 1 A22 every Saturdays.. 300 S BCs will drive the BDs... some 307 S BCs will go over to replace these 300 BCs...

TPS Timothy Mok SG

Original plan for 700 is to be cancelled but did not get to cancel (including 700A as well). 4 bendy buses to 6 double deckers. Loading continues to increase in view of the evening ERP at PIE (Eastbound).

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