Capacity changes on bus services (Part 2)

last SG · 2016-02-02T12:08:53+00:00

851 got back 2 bendies. Interesting how SMRT downgrades 851 when it goes low on bendy resources, and when it finds some bendies, it deploys back on 851. Its...

BusAnalayzer SG

201 is difference, as there are not much alternative service between kent ridge and clementi... while there are 135/43 from paya lebar to marine parade....

of course if 134 come to paya lebar mrt during peak hour before 135/43, then definitely it will have more paxes....which is the same as current situation..... just wait and see then...

Yeah.. but that is situation even today for sv 76. If there is sv 43 DD in front, sv 76 will almost go empty to marine terrace barring a few Marine Terrace specific commuters.

This is also the reason I was not happy with introduction of 143M because now with 143M, 143 and 79 go empty back to interchange if 143M is in front.

BSEP in many ways is too much waste of resources.

array88 SG

201 is difference, as there are not much alternative service between kent ridge and clementi... while there are 135/43 from paya lebar to marine parade....

of course if 134 come to paya lebar mrt during peak hour before 135/43, then definitely it will have more paxes....which is the same as current situation..... just wait and see then...

For 201, demand at West Coast Rd mainly comes from Kent Ridge Sec School and Blk 726 Market, where there's 175 to share the load (and 282 also if you don't mind taking a bit longer).

Although I do agree that 134's loading will be less than 76 as it does not cover Upp Paya Lebar Rd. But if some people are taking CCL or other bus services (if 43 hasn't arrived) to Paya Lebar and transfer there, then we may see better loading... Overall it is still a rather poor decision to plan 134 like this.

array88 SG

Yeah.. but that is situation even today for sv 76. If there is sv 43 DD in front, sv 76 will almost go empty to marine terrace barring a few Marine Terrace specific commuters.

This is also the reason I was not happy with introduction of 143M because now with 143M, 143 and 79 go empty back to interchange if 143M is in front.

BSEP in many ways is too much waste of resources.

You may argue that BSEP is waste in terms of loadings, but that's probably not the case from a commuter's point of view, especially in terms of frequency.

At least with more buses (albeit some are empty), people need less time to wait for buses (unless there's really severe bunching) and will be more satisfied. Especially if the frequency used to be really terrible... (By the way 76 does have poor frequency at Marine Terrace at times due to bunching)

Adding a few more buses do not cost that much, but will make commuters' life much easier. (Although 143M really has issues especially with 201 in place now).

BusAnalayzer SG

You may argue that BSEP is waste in terms of loadings, but that's probably not the case from a commuter's point of view, especially in terms of frequency.

Adding a few more buses do not cost that much, but will make commuters' life much easier. (Although 143M really has issues especially with 201 in place now).

Ofcourse that's a given and there is no end to it. Then we should stop cribbing about 134 in the first place because it will ensure better frequency for Marine Terrace residents than 76 and we should also not crib about 150 anymore as it provides more benefit to commuters who want to go Eunos instead.

carbikebus SG

Spotted 3 DDs on 180 yesterday night,3 of them is A95 and is fully utilised.

SBS6853S SG

only 5 DDs at max on 76 today

Rui jing SG

Hi mr lemon1974, I think Sbs 134 will have very poor loading for the first month. After that, it will have consistent loads because it passes by many old HDB flats and connects many old estates. Cheers. Thanks.

Not true, there were almost a bus load full of pax on sv134 citaro today. About 35-40 pax. This is due to the free rides given on sv134, people understand the loss of sv76 and promotional posters are well set up along the affected bus stops.

free rides makes a big difference to the pax also, take a look at sv47 loading on the first few days. Almost an empty bus, there were no free rides given and it passes by the estates. Good move by the authorities this round.

same situation for sv124 cut in route to Hbf, believe sv120 had free rides also.

sv47 can have full sd fleet on Sundays. Loading will be just right.

SBS6853S SG

same situation for sv124 cut in route to Hbf, believe sv120 had free rides also.

sv47 can have full sd fleet on Sundays. Loading will be just right.

120 wasnt free

SBS6853S SG

anyway, after today's mess, we managed to speak to more commuters and now we have 751 signatures for reinstatement of service 76 to Marine Terrace

BusAnalayzer SG

anyway, after today's mess, we managed to speak to more commuters and now we have 751 signatures for reinstatement of service 76 to Marine Terrace

come on. don't waste your time on this, rather use it for a better cause. 134 today was doing quite okay. Saw 2-3 buses with decent loading unlike 150 that had <5 pax on every bus.

dupdup77 SG

anyway, after today's mess, we managed to speak to more commuters and now we have 751 signatures for reinstatement of service 76 to Marine Terrace

Hi mr sbs6853S, if you want sbs 76 reinstated to marine terrace, then what are you going to do with sbs 134 and 150? You want all 3 services to serve marine terrace where in the past only sbs 76 does so? Or you have other plans for sbs 134 and 150? Note that there are also many other bus services (13, 16, 196) serving marine terrace and even more bus services passing by Marine parade road. I feel that it is really too many already. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

same situation for sv124 cut in route to Hbf, believe sv120 had free rides also.

sv47 can have full sd fleet on Sundays. Loading will be just right.

Hi mr Rui jing, why you say not true when it is not even 1 month which is the timeframe which I give? Aiyo don't count those promotional free rides on the first day which inflates the figures for passengers load. I am also 1 of the passengers. Wait for 4 weeks at least to have a better gauge. Cheers. Thanks.

Rui jing SG

I believe the loading would be roughly the same as when sv76 was around, if lets say one sv135/sv43 comes before at paya lebar, maybe the loading will vary, half bus at least to a full DD/SD bus. I frequent this stretch from paya lebar downwards everyday, the pax at peak hrs to marine prade is always in good demand. You will see a sea of pax pushing their way when a 135/43/76 bus comes. Roughly from 6.30pm - 7.45pm daily.

This time sv134 has got good publicity I believe by one month many will adopt 134 like how 76 was earlier. Don't think demand will drop cause there isn't any MRT line between paya lebar - tanjong Katong - marine parade. The pax would be fairly similar. I can observe on that if I have time. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading of sv 134 at 6.45pm from Paya Lebar MRT

day 2 of operation.

bus in front: 135 (04 min), 43 (06 min), 134 (13 min).

Paya Lebar MRT - 61 (0/53) I was the last one to board so I counted 53 pax boarding and so 8 were already on board, as after boarding counted 61 pax

Tanjong Katong Rd -- 63 (-7/9), 56 (-14/7), 45 (-15/4), 45 (-5/5), 45 (-2/2)

approx. 43 of 61 on board at Paya Lebar alighted along Tanjong Katong Road.

Amber Road -- 41 (-6/2)

Parkway Parade -- 33 (-17/9) I alighted here.

* Loading is here for everyone to see. peak loading is 63 pax.

* Upper deck had half the people on board

* Just to remind, there is 135 (04 mins in front) and 43 (06 mins in front)

* Overall people know 134 and have taken to it nicely. Loading is quite okay.

* I will do 43 sometime next week from Serangoon as I want to see the loading from Upper Paya Lebar beyond Paya Lebar MRT.

SBS3004X SG

Service 43 now seems to has more A/P DDs, and possibly 1-2 perm upgrades.

No change for 43M.

It seems to be coming at the same time as the GCM mass-redeployments.

SBS8002T SG

256 seems to be getting another fleet downgrade recently as I spotted 3 SD (2 citaros and 1 KUB) and 1 DD operating during the afternoons for Monday and Tuesday

Before that, the SD and DD are on alternate slots where at Pioneer MRT, I can see 1 SD or DD heading towards BNL and 1 SD or DD (eg: if opposite is SD, the bus towards Joo Koon is usually SD) towards Joo Koon Int at the same time or about 2-3 mins difference

256 loading is really poor during the off-peak and I think the best is to run 256 on either full fleet SD or only deploy DD during peak hours where it can get decent loading where people commute to and from their workplace

BusAnalayzer SG

256 seems to be getting another fleet downgrade recently as I spotted 3 SD (2 citaros and 1 KUB) and 1 DD operating during the afternoons for Monday and Tuesday

256 can be run only during AM and PM peak. No need for A/P. But that would inconvenience the 4-5 people/bus who take 256 during off-peak. Only SDs should be used.

carbikebus SG

Maybe svc 134 can terminate at Upp East Coast and svc 150 can loop at East Coast Park Svc rd compliment svc 401?Lol..

array88 SG

Maybe svc 134 can terminate at Upp East Coast and svc 150 can loop at East Coast Park Svc rd compliment svc 401?Lol..

Then people complain Marine Terrace only got service in one direction...

carbikebus SG

Then people complain Marine Terrace only got service in one direction...

Why complain when 76 reinstated back?Marine Terrace got more than 3 service what.

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