Loading level on buses (Part 2)

last SG · 2016-03-21T01:45:53+00:00

118 getting more loadings during peak hours,Am peak saw a fully seated DD with at least 20 standees while PM saw a DD with fully seated and a few standees wh...

carbikebus SG

If LTA want ppl take public transport, they must provide more long distance express buses. E.G. Punggol to Tuas stopping at major transfer points only.

Can but staring fare will be $3 and max $5

Sbs6750E SG

Can but staring fare will be $3 and max $5

Don't mind also. It's more comfortable and having no need to squeeze inside MRT. Also it is cheaper than taking a cab. Less cars on the roads = more space for buses = less jams = faster travelling time.

BusAnalayzer SG

If LTA want ppl take public transport, they must provide more long distance express buses. E.G. Punggol to Tuas stopping at major transfer points only.

But such long routes are often unreliable due to traffic conditions. Moreover, 90% of people working in Tuas live in the west itself, you will hardly find anyone living in east.

dupdup77 SG

Hmmm... so maybe it is LTA strategy to lure them with lots of buses, that too DDs... where they can see they will get a place to sit... and may ditch their cars... at least for short distance.

Off peak now svc 83 DDs having less than 10 pax on board.

Hi mr busanalyser, Punggol central permanent link to KPE-TPE is currently being constructed and will be ready by Q1 2019. There is also the mini express road inside Punggol plans. Expect even more cars when the population keeps growing. Currently another 40 mrt train trips are being added on weekday mornings. 2 car LRT trains also just started at peak hours.

I think it is time the govt starts to build new flats elsewhere in other parts of Singapore and not always Sengkang and Punggol. It is time to build a new town such as tengah or bidadari and stop building more BTOs in Sengkang and Punggol. The surrounding land for remaining teck Lee LRT (to be opened) should just be used for the new university. Or else you will need a 30 bus services similar to that of bedok interchange just to cope with the demands of bus services. Cheers. Thanks.

carbikebus SG

Build elsewhere also they will demand MRT and bus.Stop taking new citizens and reduce redundant foreign workers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Build elsewhere also they will demand MRT and bus.Stop taking new citizens and reduce redundant foreign workers.

Bro, by that logic, expect Singapore to be a failed economy in future. Poverty will be on the rise, inflation will go off the roof to provide same resources. There is a lot of micro and macro-economics involved in running a country. We don't realise this. We keep blaming foreign workers and expats, but Singapore economy is built on its friendly culture to accommodate outsiders. Hence all companies have their headquarters in Singapore and not in China and India.

I know you keep complaining about foreign workers and new citizens, but there is a lot more to it than what meets the eye!!

If you want me to explain, we can do private chat;t I have studied in the related area and can answer any questions you may have.

carbikebus SG

I know you keep complaining about foreign workers and new citizens, but there is a lot more to it than what meets the eye!!

If you want me to explain, we can do private chat;t I have studied in the related area and can answer any questions you may have.

Our country is too small

Sbs6750E SG

I know you keep complaining about foreign workers and new citizens, but there is a lot more to it than what meets the eye!!

If you want me to explain, we can do private chat;t I have studied in the related area and can answer any questions you may have.

Agree 100%. Foreign workers come here to earn an honest living to bring back to their families back home. May I ask, are Singaporeans willing to work as construction workers, etc? No right?

BusAnalayzer SG

Here is the proof why svc 48 needs more DDs. The KUB before this went packed to door. DD 3093M came 06 minutes later. Total # pax in bus = 96 pax. You can see upper deck for yourself. This was @ 08.20am at ECP towards BNV

48 DD @ ECP

BusAnalayzer SG

Here is the pic with the rego number 3093M zoomed on svc 48 DD. At bus stop on Rochor Road, aft. Beach road, 45 pax were left on board, and a whooping 51 pax alighted. I think this is on account of the Bugis DTL + South Beach Towers. Soon there will be DUO towers TOP, further increasing loading on svc 48.

Rego Number svc 48

carbikebus SG

Agree 100%. Foreign workers come here to earn an honest living to bring back to their families back home. May I ask, are Singaporeans willing to work as construction workers, etc? No right?

I didnt say send all of them go back home but current quota is more than enough..If the salary for local contruction workers is sensible and acceptable why not?Since BC basic pay increase to $1950 there is slightly more locals joining.But Top level post?No need too many right?Thats like taking advantage of the situation..

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading observation at Bishan Interchange on svc 410W & 52

Timing: 620 - 722pm

622 - 410W - 3285B - 105p (+05m, DD)

625 - 52 - 3128Y - 55p (+03m, DD)

627 - 410W - 8505J - 48p (+02m, SD)

632 - 410W - 3005T - 77p (+05m, DD)

634 - 52 - 3158K - 48p (+02m, DD)

638 - 410W - 3807X - 54p (+04m, DD)

641 - 410W - 8379G - 35p (+03m, SD)

646 - 410W - 3608D - 104p (+05m, DD)

652 - 410W - 8482R - 67p* (+06m, SD) * around 15-20 pax could not board

654 - 52 - 8296L - 43p* (+02m, SD) * please note: svc 52 came after 20 mins

657 - 410W - 3844M - 78p (+03m, DD)

659 - 52 - 3169D - 05p* (+02m, DD) * sv 52 came right after 3844M left the berth

701 - 410W - 7715L - 17p* (+02m, DD) * BC was in a rush to leave berth

705 - 410W - 8382X - 69p* (+04m, SD) * Around 5 pax left behind

709 - 52 - 3096E - 67p* (+04m, DD) * Many pax in 410W queue

711 - 410W - 8537S - 45p* (+02m, SD) * 410W DD right behind

712 - 410W - 3285B - 61p (+01m, DD)

717 - 410W - 8505J - 39p* (+05m, SD) * 3285B stayed at berth for long time

721 - 410W - 3005T - 80p (+04m, DD)

* 410W loading is v good from Bishan Interchange and DDs are doing v well on it as you can see

* Learning for me: In future, I should measure the time when the bus leaves the berth, as sometimes a bus can stay upto 02-03 mins at berth, and next bus may appear 03 mins away, but actually came right after the previous berth left the berth, taking only few pax

* Highlighted in red are all slots where DDs did well or would be good potential for DDs.

* Observed fleet: 11 buses (5 SDs, 6 DDs). I thought original fleet is 12 buses (6 SDs, 6 DDs), but 1 SD seems to be cut. Can someone confirm?

* Average frequency - 04 to 05 mins on sv 410W, should be 10 min until 07pm on svc 52, and then 15 mins post 7pm.

carbikebus SG

Today Svc 3 operating at 6 DDs for Am shift including split while PM only 4 DDs..Most of the DDs is well utilise..Svc 3 commuters sometimes very funny..3-4 stops also go upper deck.

SMB1333T SG

* Observed fleet: 11 buses (5 SDs, 6 DDs). I thought original fleet is 12 buses (6 SDs, 6 DDs), but 1 SD seems to be cut. Can someone confirm?

There are still 6 SDs.

The one you didnt see left the interchange at around 6:18pm before u came. And perhaps there was mealbreak after that so it didnt depart again during the time you were there?

BusAnalayzer SG

There are still 6 SDs.

The one you didnt see left the interchange at around 6:18pm before u came. And perhaps there was mealbreak after that so it didnt depart again during the time you were there?

Okay maybe. But the fleet is actually doing pretty fine with 6 DDs and 5 SDs I guess. Moreover, the frequency seems quite standard at a bus departing every 05 mins. I was wondering where the extra SD would fit in. Having said that, 3285B second trip at 712pm seemed to be off-time table or designed to bunch as it came together with 8537S. Till then and after that frequency consistency has been at 05 minutes.

Is that regularly observed?

SMB1333T SG

Is that regularly observed?

Not really sure. But based on your loading data there is a 6 mins gap btw 8382X and 8537S. Could it be 8537S departing 2 minutes late?

BusAnalayzer SG

Not really sure. But based on your loading data there is a 6 mins gap btw 8382X and 8537S. Could it be 8537S departing 2 minutes late?

Could be. But still out of sequence where the board shows 410W every 05 minutes. Also strange to have meal break for the SD during prime peak hour. I thought meal breaks usually would be outside of peak hours. IMO, 11 buses just seem good with 6 DDs and 5 SDs.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading on svc 27 (downroute from Tampines Century Square)

Time: 18.10, bus in front = 06m, bus behind = 03m, 03m (+0m)

Tampines Ave 4 -- 24 (0/24), 54 (0/30)

Tampines Ave 7 -- 65 (-2/13)

Tampines Ave 9 -- 65 (-2/2), 66 (-4/5), 62 (-7/3)

Tampines Ave 10 -- 66 (0/4), 68 (-2/4), 68 (bus stop skipped), 64 (-4/front door not opened inspite of people alighting)

Punggol TPE -- 58 (-20/14)

Punggol Road -- 48 (-15/5)

Compassvale St -- 42 (-9/3)

Compassvale Road -- 39 (-6/3), 38 (-5/4), 36 (-5/3), 38 (-3/5)

Sengkang East Ave -- 45 (-5/10)

Buangkok MRT -- 39 (-21/15)

Hougang Ave 6 -- 28 (-15/4), 22 (-6/0) before this stop 2 svc 27 buses overtook this one. One of them was completely empty (2-3 pax maybe)

* 3 svc 27 buses bunched together at Hougang Ave 6. Two buses overtook the one I was in. when I checked app for next bus = 07m (red indicator), 07m (+0m, green indicator)... this shows bunching is too common for this service to help with the loading

* Average frequency - 03 to 05mins. Hope they can make svc 27 DD friendly by making some changes as was proposed before.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading on svc 103 @ 1623 from Serangoon Interchange 3215D DD

Serangoon Interchange -- 41 (0/41)

Upper Serangoon Road -- 44 (0/3), 44 (0/3)

Boundary Road -- 46 (0/2)

YCK Link -- 47 (0/1)

YCK Road -- 47 (0/0), 47 (0/0), 43 (-5/1), 39 (-6/2), 36 (-5/2), 36 (-2/2) bef AMK Ave 5, 38 (0/2), 38 (0/2), 34 (-4/0), 33 (-4/3)

SKG West Rd / Jalan Kayu -- 33 (0/0), 33 (0/0), 27 (-9/3), 25 (-4/2), 23 (-2/0)

Seletar Circus -- 15 (-10/2)

SAP -- 16 (0/1), 14 (-2/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 14 (0/0), 16 (0/2), 16 (0/0)

Yishun Ave 8 -- 16 (0/0)

Yishun Ave 11 -- 13 (-8/5), 16 (-1/4)

Yishun Central -- 14 (-2/0), 14 (-5/5)

Yishun Ave 2 -- 11 (-3/0), 02 (-9/0)

* Departed at 1623, reached YTBI at 1726. Departed again from YTBI @ 1741.

* At all times, upper deck was more utilized than lower deck as most people take 103 for long distance travel, but at this timing the DD is just NOT justified.

* I was told that 445pm-5pm is peak for SAP, but it didnt seem so as all bus stops in both directions had <5 pax. Is SAP on holiday??

* AM trip may have super high loading because of shift timing, but PM loading is quite poor for all buses observed in SAP area on both 103 and 117

* Not sure 103 needs any DDs for PM but if they want to deploy, its nice to get the views of Yishun dam (super scenic).

BusAnalayzer SG

804 observation at YTBI from 1730 - 1830

531 - 1168B - 21p - Bendy

534 - 1632E - 06p - Rigid (+03m)

539 - 8003A - 13p - Bendy (+05m)

541 - 1515K - 07p - Rigid (+02m)

549 - 1099S - 24p - Bendy (+08m)

553 - 1562Z - 11p - Rigid (+04m)

557 - 3097L - 06p - Rigid (+04m)

601 - 114U - 17p - Bendy (+04m)

606 - 3095S - 19p - Rigid (+05m)

609 - 1231B - 13p - Bendy (+03m)

616 - 1168B - 18p - Bendy (+07m) repeat sequence

620 - 1632E - 12p - Rigid (+04m)

627 - 8003A - 24p - Bendy (+07m)

* SHOCKING Loading. Not one bus has more than 25 pax loading leaving interchange. Most have <15 pax.

* Is it that people board at bus stop along Yishun Ave 2? Need to confirm. You would need at least 40 pax to board at that stop to justify high capacity bus usage, especially when SMRT HC resources are scarse,

* Fleet = 10 buses (5 Bendy, 5 Rigid), only 1 A24. Fleet downgraded substantially from a full fleet bendy at one time, but this could be because of loading drop??

* Frequency: Turnaround time for bus back to berth approx. 45 min / 10 buses = 04-05 min frequency.

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