[quote]Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
"thats the thing.. if she can deliver ppl from death, that
doesn't validate the death of Jesus, she isn't a diety. it
contradicts everything in the bible right from the torah
" Catholics are supposed to know that the subject of
worship is God, or the Holy Trinity, not Mother Mary
"plus, she shouldn't be the subject of preaching and
teaching in the first place. again, she isn't diety. tats
why." Correct
"whether she remained a virgin isn't really clear, cuz
there was one part in the bible in matthiew, where Jesus turned
wine to blood? the bible said that mary and his brothers were
looking for him. but since brothers could mean anything, lets leave
that out since its unclear." Jesus had many names, Son of
Man, Jesus of Nazareth...Son of David. Assuming Jesus as human,
Jesus still is not a direct decendant of David, yet he had this
name. His cousins are therefore also sons of David. Thus, the sons
of David with Jesus included are considered brothers and sisters.
You'll have to research into the Jewish history to convince
yourself.
"my bible doesn't tell me she is queen over all
things" neither does the catholic version of the bible,
from your context. This i assume is found the Catechism. In the
Catholic context, she is regarded as queen because she is one
without the orginal sin, but more convincingly that she had
followed and obeyed God all her life [something that almost no
other human can do, with humility and obedience]. The book of Luke,
the book of Revelations had mentioned about her. She was also
present during the Pentecost.
"so why Catechism keeps making her out to be
diety" please read again, Mother Mary is regarded as a
saint, not a god/goddess. The trouble with people is that people
don't listen and bite into each word that is being said. That is
why misunderstandings arise everything we speak in haste. Quick to
listen slow to speak.
"...when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and worship
she prompts the faithful to come to her Son..." (Vatican Council
II, p. 420). Read this sentence again. This literally
means that when Mother Mary becomes the subject of preaching and
worship, she points to the faithful to her son, Jesus Christ.
Meaning that Mary is not god, but points to the faithful that
Christ is the one, the Messiah.
Please note that there are many Catholics who are not very
"educated with Catechism of the Catholic Church", and often tells
others the wrong things, practices the wrong stuff etc... Before
fingers starts to shoot around, there are just as many Christians
who are not very biblically educated and many things can happen,
big or small, minor or not. For example, there are Catholics who
still think that Mother Mary is a god. And the truth is, she isn't.
These people may be either misinformed, stubborn to change their
belief, no one correcting their way of thinking...
Nobody can guarantee who goes where, not Mother Mary, not the
priests, not your pastors, not us, not anyone but Christ. Some ppl
hav the habit of wearing the brown scapula which i think is the one
you're talking about. This is for ppl who are devoted to Mother
Mary who mediates ppl to Christ. Neither Mary nor the saints hav
any power to answer prayers but intercedes for the ppl who pray to
them. Devotion to Mary means to devote to God, while Mary herself
is not god, due to her intercession for the people and pointing
them to Christ. The key word here is that Mary is not god.
"so let me ask u, Jesus die for wat? for fun issit?
" Do note that statements like that easily provoke ppl
into a fight with you. Catholic celebrate the holy Mass, during the
Liturgy of the Eucharist, to show to the ppl the love of Christ for
us all when he gave himself up for us. The spiritual bread is meant
to nourish the spirituality of the people who partakes of it, and
grow in love for Christ and in remembrance of his holy sacrifice.
It is not for fun.
One meaning of the crucifix is to remind Catholics how much Jesus
had suffered in his own free will for our salvation. It also serve
to remind that the way of Christ [being Christian] is the way to
the crucifix [meaning that being Christian is to die with the
sufferings but rise again in glory]. The way to the crucifix is the
way of suffering, and to do it the way Christ did, to suffer [to
carry our own crosses], to face our own deaths. This, is being
Christian.
To end, it is good that people question when in doubt and ask
around for the right answers, to search for the truth. Please, do
ask ppl nicely, varying attitudes can vary the answers being given
[when one is provoked, the mind becomes unclear]. God
bless.
